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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #640 on: January 09, 2020, 10:42:01 AM »
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+1. My Rov spoke about this last Shabbos. Esav soneh l'Yaakov is a mechanism from Hashem to keep us separate.



... I think I need to call that 'Shmiras Ainayim' hotline after seeing that article
You know that's a direct quote from R' Avigdor Miller, right? Pump your brakes over there.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #641 on: January 09, 2020, 10:42:48 AM »
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Can someone explain this because I think I am reading it wrong.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #642 on: January 09, 2020, 10:44:49 AM »
Can someone explain this because I think I am reading it wrong.
The idea of it is that G-d brings anti-semitism when there is too much negative influence from the outside world.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #643 on: January 09, 2020, 10:50:16 AM »



... I think I need to call that 'Shmiras Ainayim' hotline after seeing that article

Those are the words of Rav Avigdor Miller zt"l. I assume the tone of your response would have been different had you known that.

The fact that you find it incoherent shows your Jewish Education is very deficient.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #644 on: January 09, 2020, 10:53:29 AM »
The idea of it is that G-d brings anti-semitism when there is too much negative influence from the outside world.
So anti-Semitism is protection for the Jews from the outside world?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #645 on: January 09, 2020, 10:55:55 AM »
Those are the words of Rav Avigdor Miller zt"l. I assume the tone of your response would have been different had you known that.

The fact that you find it incoherent shows your Jewish Education is very deficient.
This reminds me, @CountValentine , I meant to tell you yesterday, one big reason it seems to you that you're the only one who gets attacked around here is because you're not really involved in the arguments where us Jews disagree / politics between various Jewish "factions." There have been quite a few vicious fights over the years...

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #646 on: January 09, 2020, 11:11:31 AM »
This reminds me, @CountValentine , I meant to tell you yesterday, one big reason it seems to you that you're the only one who gets attacked around here is because you're not really involved in the arguments where us Jews disagree / politics between various Jewish "factions." There have been quite a few vicious fights over the years...
Its not only him. There have been others throughout the years :)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #647 on: January 09, 2020, 11:16:33 AM »
This reminds me, @CountValentine , I meant to tell you yesterday, one big reason it seems to you that you're the only one who gets attacked around here is because you're not really involved in the arguments where us Jews disagree / politics between various Jewish "factions." There have been quite a few vicious fights over the years...

Yup, like the v'ad ziknah war raging in the videos thread. We didn't even get to the shei-ei-ei-nis or ay-ya-ya-ya sheinis fight.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #648 on: January 09, 2020, 11:18:03 AM »
So anti-Semitism is protection for the Jews from the outside world?
Is this to touchy of a subject to answer?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #649 on: January 09, 2020, 11:25:43 AM »
Is this to touchy of a subject to answer?
I just need more time to write a proper answer because it is a sort of not a yes or no. You overlooked that I wrote negative influence from.... Some influence from the outside world is positive and some negative.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #650 on: January 09, 2020, 11:27:57 AM »
Those are the words of Rav Avigdor Miller zt"l. I assume the tone of your response would have been different had you known that.
Please read the following link: https://torasavigdor.org/rav-avigdor-miller-on-the-internet/

If that's the case - then why are his teachings on the Internet? An considering he was niftar nearly 19 years ago leads me to believe that one or more of his talmidim have put his teachings on line in the context and framework that THEY have decided to do.


The fact that you find it incoherent shows your Jewish Education is very deficient.

Forgive me if I did this in a disrespectful manner, I also didn't read through the middle sentences on the gif - his message is clear, but  I still however, have to respectfully disagree with R' Miller and all those who agree with him that the holocaust was brought upon Judaism for interacting with the non-jewish world. I also disagree with him on his views about Zionism, and probably a lot more things.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #651 on: January 09, 2020, 11:30:08 AM »
Yup, like the v'ad ziknah war raging in the videos thread. We didn't even get to the shei-ei-ei-nis or ay-ya-ya-ya sheinis fight.

I'm partial to ay-ya-ya-ya sheinis - but when I daven no one argues with me - they're just surprised the guy with no hat and kapota knows their nigunim :)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #652 on: January 09, 2020, 11:32:04 AM »
I just need more time to write a proper answer because it is a sort of not a yes or no. You overlooked that I wrote negative influence from.... Some influence from the outside world is positive and some negative.
I will admit I am lost with your answer and the OP. I read it as a punishment for interacting with the outside world which I am sure is wrong.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #653 on: January 09, 2020, 11:32:24 AM »

Forgive me if I did this in a disrespectful manner, I also didn't read through the middle sentences on the gif - his message is clear, but  I still however, have to respectfully disagree with R' Miller and all those who agree with him that the holocaust was brought upon Judaism for interacting with the non-jewish world. I also disagree with him on his views about Zionism, and probably a lot more things.
Why do you think you're an authority to agree or disagree with him?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #654 on: January 09, 2020, 11:35:11 AM »
I will admit I am lost with your answer and the OP. I read it as a punishment for interacting with the outside world which I am sure is wrong.
Not punishment.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #655 on: January 09, 2020, 11:35:35 AM »
I will admit I am lost with your answer and the OP. I read it as a punishment for interacting with the outside world which I am sure is wrong.

Seeing that my 20+ years of Jewish education and the additional torah study I've done beyond that is deficient, you may need to take what I say is a grain of salt. What I see in this quote - and I don't believe it's unique to Rabbi Avigdor Miller, who it is attributed to, is that Anti-semitism is g-d's way of reminding Jews to remain committed to our Jewish faith, and ignore outside influences.  He also suggests that these attacks come about when we as a nation (i.e. all jews) are trying to hard to blend in. These 'punishments' as it were, are there to remind us of our place in the world.


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #656 on: January 09, 2020, 11:35:39 AM »
I will admit I am lost with your answer and the OP. I read it as a punishment for interacting with the outside world which I am sure is wrong.
not punishment.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #658 on: January 09, 2020, 11:37:59 AM »
I will admit I am lost with your answer and the OP. I read it as a punishment for interacting with the outside world which I am sure is wrong.
It is NOT a punishment, just a way to keep us on the right path like rumble strips on the side of the road that wake us up when a driver falls asleep.  This is how the Jewish nation survived close to 2K years without a homeland. History shows that every time Jews gained power and influence and/or we started loosing our youth to assimilation, anti semitisim resurfaced. (most reacent obvious case was Germany in early 20th century)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #659 on: January 09, 2020, 11:41:09 AM »
So anti-Semitism is a sign that are you losing your way?
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