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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #840 on: February 03, 2022, 12:13:58 AM »
Yes, the left created that rule, they should follow their own rules
It is always the other side.  ::)
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #841 on: February 03, 2022, 12:56:25 AM »

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #842 on: February 03, 2022, 01:47:09 AM »
This confusion is why IMHO she should be cut some slack. Let's remember her real name is not Glodberg, that is a name she chose.
Sounds like that has some racist/anti-Semitic roots as well.

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She has stated that "people would say 'Come on, are you Jewish?' And I always say 'Would you ask me that if I was white? I bet not.'"One account recalls that her mother, Emma Johnson, thought the family's original surname was "not Jewish enough" for her daughter to become a star.

-Wikipedia

ETA: I see this has been discussed. But the point remains.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2022, 01:51:37 AM by S209 »
Quote from: YitzyS
Quotes in a signature is annoying, as it comes across as an independent post.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #843 on: February 03, 2022, 05:22:44 AM »
Sounds like that has some racist/anti-Semitic roots as well.
One story goes that she claims she is Jewish. So, what is racist/anti-Semitic about choosing a stage name that reflects that?

Call me old fashioned but I believe race just like sex is determined at birth. Do you?

Her crime is she looks at race as the color of one's skin. This is the same as ADL until the other day. Now their position is color or ethnicity. This was changed because of what happen. Would it be logical to assume a Jew would fall under "ethnicity" and not "color"?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #844 on: February 03, 2022, 08:24:53 AM »
According to Rav Breuer Jews are a nation-religion; not a race, religion or a nation alone.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #845 on: February 03, 2022, 08:48:17 AM »
According to Rav Breuer Jews are a nation-religion; not a race, religion or a nation alone.

It HAS to be that way. We accept those who want to join regardless of race or ethnicity. I don't have an issue with her saying that the Holocaust was not about race but about nation religion. It may come from her missing some of the history of the Holocaust and how the German's had considered it to be a racial issue, but if her error was from missing the historical nuance then an apology should be adequate.

The real issue here is not whether or not it was about race but rather the overall attitude of "that was whites fighting between each other so I don't care about it". That is ABSOLUTELY worthy of suspension or worse.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #846 on: February 03, 2022, 08:54:40 AM »
The real issue here is not whether or not it was about race but rather the overall attitude of "that was whites fighting between each other so I don't care about it". That is ABSOLUTELY worthy of suspension or worse.
Did you feel that is what she did?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #847 on: February 03, 2022, 08:57:22 AM »
Did you feel that is what she did?
that was the impression I got from the clip. "I don't care" is an exagerattion, but it was an attitude of "it's not my issue".
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #848 on: February 03, 2022, 09:00:47 AM »
that was the impression I got from the clip. "I don't care" is an exagerattion, but it was an attitude of "it's not my issue".
Should I get the impression when someone talks about the "H" and doesn't mention the other millions of non-Jews murdered that "it's not my issue"?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #849 on: February 03, 2022, 09:03:02 AM »
Should I get the impression when someone talks about the "H" and doesn't mention the other millions of non-Jews murdered that "it's not my issue"?

This is the quote

"Well, this is White people doing it to White people, so y'all gonna fight amongst yourselves,"

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #850 on: February 03, 2022, 09:15:58 AM »
So the issue is now that she feels it is not her issue?

This thread all but confirmed Jew is not a race as pointed out in the first post.
Also not sure what credibility the ADL has to criticize her for this, given that based on their new definition of racism, she is right.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #851 on: February 03, 2022, 09:17:02 AM »
Should I get the impression when someone talks about the "H" and doesn't mention the other millions of non-Jews murdered that "it's not my issue"?
Where did you get that from what I wrote?

Why does every single affected group need to be listed each time it is mentioned? The other groups should not be ignored but that was  not anything close to the scale of how it affected the Jews. I have no issue with the main discussions about discrimination in the south being about blacks even though news were also discriminated against since it doesn't come close to how the blacks were discriminated against in that case.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #852 on: February 03, 2022, 09:20:55 AM »
So the issue is now that she feels it is not her issue?

This thread all but confirmed Jew is not a race as pointed out in the first post.
That is my personal opinion.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #853 on: February 03, 2022, 09:21:15 AM »
So the issue is now that she feels it is not her issue?

This thread all but confirmed Jew is not a race as pointed out in the first post.

Jews are not (only) a race. Antisemitism is racism.



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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #854 on: February 03, 2022, 09:23:14 AM »
Where did you get that from what I wrote?
It is a question I am asking about "it's not my issue".

The "H" is about the genocide of the Jewish people, correct? What about the other millions that were murdered at the same time? When we never mention them isn't that wrong?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #855 on: February 03, 2022, 09:25:34 AM »
Jews are not (only) a race.
Maybe this is just a case of talking about two different things for the same word?
How would you define race?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #856 on: February 03, 2022, 09:25:39 AM »
This thread all but confirmed Jew is not a race as pointed out in the first post.

The post you quoted is an indication that the ADL, which once was dedicated to fighting antisemitism, has been corrupted and become a part of the left and the Democrat apparatus. This is not a new thing, and has been going on since 2017 when they got a new director, who had previously been a Democrat operative.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #857 on: February 03, 2022, 09:27:07 AM »
The post you quoted is an indication that the ADL, which once was dedicated to fighting antisemitism, has been corrupted and become a part of the left and the Democrat apparatus. This is not a new thing, and has been going on since 2017 when they got a new director, who had previously been a Democrat operative.
Would you agree most in this country view them as fighting for the Jewish people?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #858 on: February 03, 2022, 09:40:19 AM »
It is a question I am asking about "it's not my issue".

The "H" is about the genocide of the Jewish people, correct? What about the other millions that were murdered at the same time? When we never mention them isn't that wrong?
Other groups should be mentioned. See what I edited to the post you quoted.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #859 on: February 03, 2022, 09:42:17 AM »
Jews are not (only) a race. Antisemitism is racism.
Now everyone can pull out their dictionary. It is for this reason that I don't really like the term racism and prefer to use more general bigotry. Technically racism and anti semitism are two forms of bigotry. Colloquially people use racism to refer to both.
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