Its Open Season on Jews

[CountValentine]

IIRC you are on record as considering them the final arbiters.

I am on record as accepting them or anyone we can agree on as final arbitrator.
Can we all agree to use them for all our discussions?

[CountValentine]

All this nonsense was posted in the right thread by @TimT to begin with.

[EliJelly]

No I blame it on all of us who only talk about part of what happened at that time.

I see you liked JJ's educational post but still you haven't become more educated. You repeatedly post about the other *millions* who were also killed while the amount of people killed based on the Nazi extermination ideology was less than one million, including Gypsys homosexuals etc. The others weren't part of a genocide on a certain race or religion.

[aygart]

I am on record as accepting them or anyone we can agree on as final arbitrator.
Can we all agree to use them for all our discussions?

IIRC you are on record as accepting them as final arbiters when others disagreed.

[CountValentine]

IIRC you are on record as accepting them as final arbiters when others disagreed.

Then you can't have an honest discussion.

[aygart]

She bases race on color, and I bet most of the country does. What part doesn't she get?

That it makes no difference if the bigotry is based on color, race, nationality, etc.

[CountValentine]

That it makes no difference if the bigotry is based on color, race, nationality, etc.

Not sure why you would say that.

[CountValentine]

I see you liked JJ's educational post but still you haven't become more educated. You repeatedly post about the other *millions* who were also killed while the amount of people killed based on the Nazi extermination ideology was less than one million, including Gypsys homosexuals etc. The others weren't part of a genocide on a certain race or religion.

I am more than willing to be educated.
According to JJ post we have 20mm (rounded) killed which 6mm were Jews.
Jews were killed as part of a genocide, correct? Why were the other 14mm killed?

[aygart]

I more than willing to be educated.
According to JJ post we have 20mm (rounded) killed which 6mm were Jews.
Jews were killed as part of a genocide, correct? Why were the other 14mm killed?

A very large portion were from the Nazis indiscriminately killing civilians as they plowed through countries and their killing anyone participating in any level of the conquered government. This is not to mean that it was not based on ethnicity. They absolutely intended to kill Slavs. Yet they were not the victims of the same organized genocidal machine.

[gozalim]

gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

Some of the other Nazi millions were racial (maybe slavs, roma, not sure about others), but I don't think they expected to 'finish the job' on any other group, hence falling short of the specific designation of 'genocide'

[aygart]

Some of the other Nazi millions were racial (maybe slavs, roma, not sure about others), but I don't think they expected to 'finish the job' on any other group, hence falling short of the specific designation of 'genocide'

Once you pull out the dictionary, expect others to do the same.

[CountValentine]

Some of the other Nazi millions were racial (maybe slavs, roma, not sure about others), but I don't think they expected to 'finish the job' on any other group, hence falling short of the specific designation of 'genocide'

What is the point you are making? Everyone agrees the nazi's were trying to murder every Jew.

[gozalim]

responding to

I am more than willing to be educated.
According to JJ post we have 20mm (rounded) killed which 6mm were Jews.
Jews were killed as part of a genocide, correct? Why were the other 14mm killed?

[CountValentine]

responding to

You posted the definition of genocide. You are educating me on what genocide is?

[TimT]

https://vinnews.com/2022/02/03/exclusive-woke-chicago-d-a-not-charging-hussain-with-assault-on-jew/

[yuneeq]

It does matter. She acknowledges what happen. She is not a denier.
In her culture racism is one color against another. I will admit that is how I look at it also. That is why I make a distinction between anti-semitism and racism. Am I wrong or being ignorant?

Now everyone can pull out their dictionary. It is for this reason that I don't really like the term racism and prefer to use more general bigotry. Technically racism and anti semitism are two forms of bigotry. Colloquially people use racism to refer to both.

This. Widespread bigotry against a common group is the issue, doesn't really matter if the victims are Jews, blacks, redheads, elderly, fat, blackhawks fans, midgets, or whoever. Bigotry is never okay, and IMHO we don't/shouldn't need the SC to issue a ruling to guide our ethics on this matter.

[CountValentine]

This. Widespread bigotry against a common group is the issue, doesn't really matter if the victims are Jews, blacks, redheads, elderly, fat, blackhawks fans, midgets, or whoever. Bigotry is never okay, and IMHO we don't/shouldn't need the SC to issue a ruling to guide our ethics on this matter.

Do you think WG does not understand this?

[Yehuda57]

Do you think WG does not understand this?

Yes. The modern definition of racism is color + privilege. Bigotry of different types is not called racism, and therefore diminished, ignored, or even perpetrated in the name of defending the victims of Racism TM.

There are dozens upon dozens of videos on YouTube where you see people of color being bigoted against groups while saying "it's not racism, we're fighting against privilege."

And where I come from, that often becomes violent.

[Yehuda57]

Iow, WG is using the definition of racism that creates a scorecard or hierarchy of bigotry. So she can say, Nazis aren't racist, ya'll sort that white in white stuff amongst yourselves, I'm going to worry about bigger issues like people targeting black people.

[CountValentine]

A member said I need to educate myself. I wonder if many of you are willing to do the same.

She went on the SC show and IMHO basically made things worse. She made one point so clear which is central to why she said what she said.

"I think of race as being something that I can see," she said. "So, I see you and I know what race you are."

Now you can disagree that is wrong to look at it that way but, in her culture, and many others that is the way it is.