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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #90 on: December 29, 2019, 04:12:46 PM »
Aliyah aside, do people feel the cycle of galus as described by the Meshech Chochmah coming to life? And what should our response be? Nothing?!
So true.
But what are you referring to what our response should be? what is he recommending, a gun or peeper spray? ???
Probably more like being מחזק in something ( 'צפיה לישועה וכו)
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #91 on: December 29, 2019, 05:41:05 PM »
So true.
But what are you referring to what our response should be? what is he recommending, a gun or peeper spray? ???
Almost certainly not that. The Midrash and meforshim are very clear on what the response to the hatred of Eisav should be.(Look at the Midrash on pnu lachem tzafona in Devarim.)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #92 on: December 29, 2019, 07:08:11 PM »
Stop saying not to get a gun unless properly trained then start wondering when the programs will start.

Yes go get training, but buy a damn gun.

If God forbid I was attacked, id defend myself with a gun .

I feel very safe

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #93 on: December 29, 2019, 07:09:41 PM »
Stop saying not to get a gun unless properly trained then start wondering when the programs will start.

Yes go get training, but buy a damn gun.

If God forbid I was attacked, id defend myself with a gun .

I feel very safe
Thank G-d this guy didn't have a gun.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #95 on: December 29, 2019, 07:15:25 PM »
Thank G-d this guy didn't have a gun.

This type of mindset is how Innocents get killed.

Maybe be thankful the Jews in Europe didn't have guns, God forbid they might have shot the Nazi's.

Exactly the fact that one guy with a knife can go and stab in many cases kill many people.

That shows how lopsided the logic is.

You have absolutely no solution. Are you going to stop all the mass brain washing of the masses and the hate?

When you going to assign an armed security guard to every single Jew?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #96 on: December 29, 2019, 07:19:47 PM »
This type of mindset is how Innocents get killed.

Maybe be thankful the Jews in Europe didn't have guns, God forbid they might have shot the Nazi's.

Exactly the fact that one guy with a knife can go and stab in many cases kill many people.

That shows how lopsided the logic is.

You have absolutely no solution. Are you going to stop all the mass brain washing of the masses and the hate?

When you going to assign an armed security guard to every single Jew?
Your logic is more guns are the answer. The more guns there are the more guns will get into the hands of criminals. We will never come out ahead in that situation because we value life and they don't.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #97 on: December 29, 2019, 07:26:18 PM »
Your logic is more guns are the answer. The more guns there are the more guns will get into the hands of criminals. We will never come out ahead in that situation because we value life and they don't.
Criminals will get the guns no matter what, only question is will we be able to defend ourselves against them

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #98 on: December 29, 2019, 07:30:18 PM »
Criminals will get the guns no matter what, only question is will we be able to defend ourselves against them
If you accept the fact that criminals will always be able to get guns then there is nothing you can do. If a criminal wants to kill you no matter how many guns you own won't matter.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #99 on: December 29, 2019, 07:51:21 PM »
Stop saying not to get a gun unless properly trained then start wondering when the programs will start.

Yes go get training, but buy a damn gun.

If God forbid I was attacked, id defend myself with a gun .

I feel very safe
https://www.sefaria.org/Psalms.127.1?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en


I just spoke to my nephew this evening who is pretty well trained with guns, and isn't confident at all that a gun would help in such a time of need.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #100 on: December 29, 2019, 08:01:44 PM »
This just happened. An armed citizen stopped an attack after it happened. This is a best case scenario.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-church-shooting-suspect-shoots-2-before-he-was-killed-by-parishioners/ar-BBYrq9K?ocid=spartanntp

All the guns in the world will not stop the initial attack.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2019, 08:02:13 PM »
Many major terror attacks in Israel were only stopped because somebody was armed that includes car ramming attacks, the bulldozer attacks, knife and axe attacks etc.

Everybody's an armchair analyst, the facts of reality speak for themselves.

And the responses comical, here we have a guy stabbing people and you talk about how guns are not the answer.

And entirely not true, a guy in a defenders hands, will often scare attackers off , most aren't suicidal

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #102 on: December 29, 2019, 08:02:55 PM »
This just happened. An armed citizen stopped an attack after it happened. This is a best case scenario.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-church-shooting-suspect-shoots-2-before-he-was-killed-by-parishioners/ar-BBYrq9K?ocid=spartanntp

All the guns in the world will not stop the initial attack.

Many times initial attacks will prevented by an armed person present, second of all you would have no idea how many more would have been killed had an armed person not been present.


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #103 on: December 29, 2019, 08:04:01 PM »
What are the stats people, in the United States with it's lose gun laws, are there less shooting victims than other countries, because for every bad man with gun there is a good man with a gun, or is there more victims because the lack of strict gun laws? The answer to this should basically end the debate on gun control. Unless you view the second amendment (designed for farmers in vast ranches 200 years ago) as the word of God which gotta be protected even with cost of numerous innocent human lives.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #104 on: December 29, 2019, 08:05:06 PM »
Many major terror attacks in Israel were only stopped because somebody was armed that includes car ramming attacks, the bulldozer attacks, knife and axe attacks etc.

Everybody's an armchair analyst, the facts of reality speak for themselves.

And the responses comical, here we have a guy stabbing people and you talk about how guns are not the answer.

And entirely not true, a guy in a defenders hands, will often scare attackers off , most aren't suicidal
If a criminal wants to kill you all the guns in the world will not protect you.
If you want to believe it makes you safe that is fine. Just don't tell ne there is no Easter bunny.
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