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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2019, 09:13:22 AM »
There's no reason to leave a place where Jews have equal protection under the law, actual and enforced.

Hate starts from the local populace then mitigates to the govt....and as we can see in plenty of Congress and local Govts it already has...

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2019, 09:14:01 AM »
Starting to understand more and more why Jews in Germany/Poland/Austria never actually tried leaving. People have always questioned their actions, but based on the past year and the amount of attacks on Jews and the lack of any bump of Aliya shows we just sadly dont learn the lessons of the past.

I hear people saying this, but itís quite ridiculous with a little bit of knowledge of history. 10 years before the Holocaust was 10x worse than it is here now. They also did not live in a free country and the laws to protect Jews are 1000x better now. And surely you can move to a different country, but which is better? Back then there were plenty of options better than Germany. But tell me that the USA is not safe enough for Jews, then youíre left with nowhere to live. Buy a gun and make yourself comfortable.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2019, 09:15:38 AM »
What is the country where (unfortunately RL) biggest amount of Jews were killed and injured in the past 70 years? What is the country where the local population hates them the most?

You must be referring to a state founded on כוחי ועוצם ידי. Though IMHO just like the rise in antisemitic violence in the US isn't a reason to move away from here, the facts alluded to in your rhetorical questions isn't a reason not to live there.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2019, 09:18:51 AM »
What is the country where (unfortunately RL) biggest amount of Jews were killed and injured in the past 70 years? What is the country where the local population hates them the most?

That is definitely true, however it is OUR country

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2019, 09:27:03 AM »
Hate starts from the local populace then mitigates to the govt....and as we can see in plenty of Congress and local Govts it already has...
Local governments aren't prosecuting crimes against Jews?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2019, 09:30:17 AM »
I hear people saying this, but itís quite ridiculous with a little bit of knowledge of history. 10 years before the Holocaust was 10x worse than it is here now. They also did not live in a free country and the laws to protect Jews are 1000x better now. And surely you can move to a different country, but which is better? Back then there were plenty of options better than Germany. But tell me that the USA is not safe enough for Jews, then youíre left with nowhere to live. Buy a gun and make yourself comfortable.

UAE?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2019, 09:43:27 AM »
Local governments aren't prosecuting crimes against Jews?

Local Govts are riling up people who do the hate....

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2019, 10:23:15 AM »
Just an example of mainstream tweets and how they refuse to acknowledge antisemitism.
IMHO that's the biggest problem and fuels more attacks

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2019, 10:36:03 AM »
That is definitely true, however it is OUR country
It's not our country now, it will be again our country iy"h when moshiach comes soon , now it isn't safer to live there then anywhere in the world and it isn't our country and it dosen't say anywhere that a yid should live in Israel while in gules, we are in גלות unfortunately in the whole world and ידוע שעשו שונא ליעקב and we shouldn't fight or be wise in גלות , we made ourselves too comfortable in America, we forgot, we just immigrated 70 years ago and we should act like foreigners, being in the media daily with politicians and showing the world we almost own America via kushner for example or busy using America for israel propaganda is just backfiring us ,that rises antisimitesim,thats the total truth to it, we are in גלות till moshiach comes soon and we need to sit still, there is הלכות and a תורה and we have rules how to go on , its not just what our feelings or emotions say what to do.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2019, 10:42:23 AM »
Just an example of mainstream tweets and how they refuse to acknowledge antisemitism.
IMHO that's the biggest problem and fuels more attacks
And now
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2019, 11:00:05 AM »
Rule of thumb:

When someone starts with "not trying to excuse anything but..." you know they are about to excuse something they really know they shouldn't be.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2019, 11:01:59 AM »
What is the country where (unfortunately RL) biggest amount of Jews were killed and injured in the past 70 years? What is the country where the local population hates them the most?


Is it a country with one of the highest Jewish populations (especially of ones who you can tell that they are Jews on the street)?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2019, 11:06:18 AM »
Rule of thumb:

When someone starts with "not trying to excuse anything but..." you know they are about to excuse something they really know they shouldn't be.
I worked with a Muslim and we were talking about 911. He started saying I don't condone 911 but... That is when I said STFU and walked away. 
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2019, 11:10:14 AM »
I worked with a Muslim and we were talking about 911. He started saying I don't condone 911 but... That is when I said STFU and walked away. 
This, of course, goes for anti-muslim violence etc. as well.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2019, 11:18:54 AM »
Just an example of mainstream tweets and how they refuse to acknowledge antisemitism.
IMHO that's the biggest problem and fuels more attacks
Anyone can cherry pick tweets to support their agenda. This is what I have been seeing all over the news and print.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/5-stabbed-in-act-of-domestic-terrorism-at-hanukkah-party-suspect-facing-attempted-murder-charges/ar-BBYr69g?li=BBnb7Kz
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