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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #300 on: December 31, 2019, 09:00:37 PM »
Very powerful words from Rabbi Ruttenburg from Forshay on what we should take out from this terrible attack, and whether arming ourselves should be the answer.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jy3ml7jkptgucht/LEED6744.MP4?dl=0

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #301 on: December 31, 2019, 09:29:23 PM »
Very powerful words from Rabbi Ruttenburg from Forshay on what we should take out from this terrible attack, and whether arming ourselves should be the answer.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jy3ml7jkptgucht/LEED6744.MP4?dl=0
CliffsNotes?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #302 on: December 31, 2019, 10:37:27 PM »
Very powerful words from Rabbi Ruttenburg from Forshay on what we should take out from this terrible attack, and whether arming ourselves should be the answer.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jy3ml7jkptgucht/LEED6744.MP4?dl=0
Didnt listen to this yet , however, obviously in a way beyond the scope of this thread but in a nutshell, הכל בידי שמים, חוץ מיראת שמים. what I was always taught was when it comes to physical harm, we Daven and strengthen ourselves in ruchniyus. When it comes to spiritual harm we fight. This was also part of  Eisav’s bracha. When Yakov is down, he’s up and vice versa... This is also the main difference between Chanukah and Purim. On Purim it was a threat to destroy the Jewish nation and so we fasted and מקבל מה שקיבל כבר, whereas on Chanuka the threat was very much a spiritual one so the Maccabees went out to fight.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #303 on: December 31, 2019, 10:44:05 PM »
From  father of victim. (I know the family) Happened by Kings plaza in bklyn
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My son Zack was just accosted on the B3 by 6 black guys. They pulled a knife out on him. They took off his Kippah started making racial slurs and then took  his AirPods out of his ear. They also tried to steal his wallet but he held his pocket and didn’t let them take it. Zack started demanding his AirPods back in a very loud voice. The people on the bus started staring so they gave him back the airpods. They pushed him against the side of the bus and video taped him, and threatened him. They told him that they would beat him up if he didn’t give them the AirPods with the case. When they saw that Zack wasn’t giving it up they ran off the bus by Kings Plaza.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #304 on: December 31, 2019, 10:59:58 PM »
From  father of victim. (I know the family) Happened by Kings plaza in bklyn
And this happened on an NYC bus and cops weren't summoned by the driver?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #305 on: December 31, 2019, 11:03:32 PM »
And this happened on an NYC bus and cops weren't summoned by the driver?
You sound surprised

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #306 on: December 31, 2019, 11:09:16 PM »
You sound surprised
Unfortunately, not the slightest.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #307 on: December 31, 2019, 11:36:17 PM »
CliffsNotes?
Don't bother. Very religious stuff.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #308 on: December 31, 2019, 11:55:36 PM »
Didnt listen to this yet , however, obviously in a way beyond the scope of this thread but in a nutshell, הכל בידי שמים, חוץ מיראת שמים. what I was always taught was when it comes to physical harm, we Daven and strengthen ourselves in ruchniyus. When it comes to spiritual harm we fight. This was also part of  Eisav’s bracha. When Yakov is down, he’s up and vice versa... This is also the main difference between Chanukah and Purim. On Purim it was a threat to destroy the Jewish nation and so we fasted and מקבל מה שקיבל כבר, whereas on Chanuka the threat was very much a spiritual one so the Maccabees went out to fight.
Yup, very thoughtful and to the point. Unfortunately we've seen many give in at spiritual threats and only fight back at physical ones, despite of גדול המחטיאו יותר מן ההורגו.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #309 on: December 31, 2019, 11:56:14 PM »
Didnt listen to this yet , however, obviously in a way beyond the scope of this thread but in a nutshell, הכל בידי שמים, חוץ מיראת שמים. what I was always taught was when it comes to physical harm, we Daven and strengthen ourselves in ruchniyus. When it comes to spiritual harm we fight. This was also part of  Eisav’s bracha. When Yakov is down, he’s up and vice versa... This is also the main difference between Chanukah and Purim. On Purim it was a threat to destroy the Jewish nation and so we fasted and מקבל מה שקיבל כבר, whereas on Chanuka the threat was very much a spiritual one so the Maccabees went out to fight.

The gist I got out of it was mainly אִם הֹ' לֹֽא יִשְׁמָר עִ֜֗יר שָׁ֚וְא שָׁקַ֬ד שׁוֹמֵֽר

(For CV: If the Lord will not guard a city, its watcher keeps his vigil in vain (Psalms 127:1))
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #310 on: December 31, 2019, 11:57:04 PM »
CliffsNotes?

Deuteronomy 32:39

Miracle of Chanukah: mighty were given in the hands of the weak.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #311 on: January 01, 2020, 08:31:19 AM »
Didnt listen to this yet , however, obviously in a way beyond the scope of this thread but in a nutshell, הכל בידי שמים, חוץ מיראת שמים. what I was always taught was when it comes to physical harm, we Daven and strengthen ourselves in ruchniyus. When it comes to spiritual harm we fight. This was also part of  Eisav’s bracha. When Yakov is down, he’s up and vice versa... This is also the main difference between Chanukah and Purim. On Purim it was a threat to destroy the Jewish nation and so we fasted and מקבל מה שקיבל כבר, whereas on Chanuka the threat was very much a spiritual one so the Maccabees went out to fight.
Exactly!

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #312 on: January 01, 2020, 09:31:35 AM »
Deuteronomy 32:39

Miracle of Chanukah: mighty were given in the hands of the weak.

But they fought

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #313 on: January 01, 2020, 01:20:35 PM »
But they fought

And won not because they had superior weapons or anything of the sort, but only because Hashem delivered them the victory, as we say in v'Al HaNissim on Chanuka.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #314 on: January 01, 2020, 01:26:58 PM »
And won not because they had superior weapons or anything of the sort, but only because Hashem delivered them the victory, as we say in v'Al HaNissim on Chanuka.

Fine, but saying we should only rely on prayers is not Jewish .. turn the other cheek is for Christian's.  Ha!

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #315 on: January 01, 2020, 01:32:51 PM »
Fine, but saying we should only rely on prayers is not Jewish .. turn the other cheek is for Christian's.  Ha!
גיוי נתתי למכים ולחיי למורטים פני לא הסטרתי מכלימות ורוק

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #316 on: January 01, 2020, 01:57:21 PM »
Fine, but saying we should only rely on prayers is not Jewish .. turn the other cheek is for Christian's.  Ha!
Ever heard of Purim?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #317 on: January 01, 2020, 02:00:03 PM »
Ever heard of Purim?

Why do I keep hearing how "it's galus etc" self defense doesn't apply in galus?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #318 on: January 01, 2020, 02:19:38 PM »
Why do I keep hearing how "it's galus etc" self defense doesn't apply in galus?

Let's take a step back and examine what Golus is, so maybe it will become obvious to you (and others).

Golus is a status of concealment. Yidden are called בני בכורי ישראל and were given many special gifts by Hashem. In a proper setting, Hashem's chosen people, firstborn nation, should be free of all problems, burdens and hindrances and occupied solely with learning Torah and keeping mitzvos. However, since we are in Golus, that is not the case (at least not in a revealed manner). Self-defense measures are appropriate, but putting too much emphasis on it is only burying ourselves deeper in a golus mindset, rather than focusing on a Geulah mindset of emphasizing good, and focusing on our true mission in this world. Putting trust into self-defense and weapons seems to be distancing us even more from where our trust should be.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #319 on: January 01, 2020, 02:20:33 PM »
Why do I keep hearing how "it's galus etc" self defense doesn't apply in galus?
It does. But it's not what we rely on.
ETA: I see @ExGingi beat me to it.
Now to this statement
Fine, but saying we should only rely on prayers is not Jewish
Ever heard of Purim?
It's the essence of Judaism to rely on prayers in times of trouble. Specifically physical threats. That's what communities throughout galus did, on the advice of their leaders. You may or may not think those leaders were right but they are definitely the authorities on what is "Jewish".