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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #440 on: January 02, 2020, 03:24:44 PM »
I could make fun of or dismiss some of your suggestions but won't.
Are you in favor of tougher penalties for criminals in general? That is something I would like to see.
The problem is when you give LE more leeway some abuse it. That abuse is mostly directed at minorities.
As for Rudy I am going to guess you want the old version and not the new version.
Mayor Rudy. Problem with tying their hands ? They just donít care anymore.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #441 on: January 02, 2020, 03:32:19 PM »
Most of the solution is the problem communities wanting to change from within. Deterrents don't eliminate hate, it just makes people more reluctant to act on it. If the black community owned up to the problems within it, they could solve them faster than anyone.
Memories last forever, make them while you can.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #442 on: January 02, 2020, 03:36:12 PM »
In North Miami Beach they come and pay ny prices . Then they rent out villas etc.   It's frustrating TBH.

Also, they use our shulls and don't contribute the part.

Would be nice though if visitors and Vila owners contributed to shulls
Sorry, but you are being overly bitter here, beside for it being a very false accusation.

I was in NMB a few weeks ago, Davened in Kahal Chassidim which attracts most of the villa renters/owners. On a very pushita shabbos they sold the Aliyos for at least $125 each, Shishi was sold for $800, in addition to the at least $18 for every Mi Shebeirach. The Gabei called out the guest before, saying "M'bet the guest zullen zich varem unreefen"

I don't know where you Daven, but I've clearly seen how they managed to make the guest contribute a fortune.

As a side note, I didn't know you live in NMB, but I socialized with many very geshmakeh people over there, including from Chabad (which has a beautifull shul and a large growing community) I hope you were one of them :)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #443 on: January 02, 2020, 03:50:40 PM »
Most of the solution is the problem communities wanting to change from within. Deterrents don't eliminate hate, it just makes people more reluctant to act on it. If the black community owned up to the problems within it, they could solve them faster than anyone.
Ouch!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #444 on: January 02, 2020, 03:52:31 PM »
Most of the solution is the problem communities wanting to change from within. Deterrents don't eliminate hate, it just makes people more reluctant to act on it. If the black community owned up to the problems within it, they could solve them faster than anyone.
Being reluctant to act is a very big step in the right direction.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #445 on: January 02, 2020, 03:58:59 PM »
Best thing we could do is switch shoes for a week.
Not in NYC, my friend, not in NYC.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #446 on: January 02, 2020, 03:59:46 PM »
Ouch!
I wasn't implying they are the only community with problems, but they are the ones we are discussing at the moment. Something I've been saying for years: If every "people" had a sense of community like I do with my fellow Jews, we'd be in a much better place. People don't go homeless in my community. We look out for each other. We help each other on physical levels, emotional levels, and financial levels. It's about taking responsibility for each other. Why do I talk to blacks who are telling a "survival"  story of how they got out of their community? It's because their community is dragging them down instead of lifting them up. It's taking good individuals and destroying them. Again, There is scum in my community, there are problems in my community and so on, but as a whole we are united, and it makes us stronger. Instead of using our sense of community to validate those who make bad decisions, and pretend that it was ok, because they are one of us, we use our community to help them rectify what they've done.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #447 on: January 02, 2020, 04:00:51 PM »
Being reluctant to act is a very big step in the right direction.
Maybe, but pent up hatred may be worse in the long run. I wish I had all the answers.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #448 on: January 02, 2020, 04:04:06 PM »
I wasn't implying they are the only community with problems...
I know. I was thinking about what was posted if you want to know if something is racist. You replace that word with another.
black>white
white>black
jew>black
and so on.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #449 on: January 02, 2020, 04:06:41 PM »
Should a distinction be made between a racist and a racist that actually wants to see someone hurt?
I don't want blacks living next to me vs I will burn their house down.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2020, 04:12:31 PM »
I know. I was thinking about what was posted if you want to know if something is racist. You replace that word with another.
black>white
white>black
jew>black
and so on.
PC racism is a bunch of BS. I'd happily replace Blacks in that statement with any race, but it would be out of context, as we're talking about blacks here. Talking truth, and facts, that just so happens to portray a race or religion in negative light, is not racist.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #451 on: January 02, 2020, 04:13:42 PM »
Should a distinction be made between a racist and a racist that actually wants to see someone hurt?
I don't want blacks living next to me vs I will burn their house down.
why are you turning to racism where blacks are the victims ?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #452 on: January 02, 2020, 04:15:11 PM »
Should a distinction be made between a racist and a racist that actually wants to see someone hurt?
I don't want blacks living next to me vs I will burn their house down.
Well, can be a crime, the other isn't. Intent to harm can get you arrested. I can hate whoever I want, as a matter of fact, I can wish them dead. That's my freedom. Obviously you say something about yourself if you do indeed do that, but if you don't show intent to harm, there is not much to be done.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #453 on: January 02, 2020, 04:20:52 PM »
why are you turning to racism where blacks are the victims ?
I was giving a real life example that I know of and lived through.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2020, 04:21:22 PM »
PC racism is a bunch of BS. I'd happily replace Blacks in that statement with any race, but it would be out of context, as we're talking about blacks here. Talking truth, and facts, that just so happens to portray a race or religion in negative light, is not racist.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #455 on: January 02, 2020, 04:23:08 PM »
Don't shoot the messenger.
Wasn't at all. I was simply stating my view because you opened that door ;D
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #458 on: January 02, 2020, 04:59:26 PM »
snip...

As NYC folks have moved to CLE en masse of late, I try to do my part to get them to say good shabbos as we walk past each other :)

Sorry to go OT - what's the hardest mitzvah to do in Brooklyn? Kiddush Levana - because not only do you have to find the strength to say Shalom Aleichem to 3 people, you also need to wait until they respond.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #459 on: January 02, 2020, 05:03:53 PM »
Should a distinction be made between a racist and a racist that actually wants to see someone hurt?
I don't want blacks living next to me vs I will burn their house down.

Obviously, the latter, if he acts on his violent thoughts, he should be jailed. But let me ask you this - is it okay for me to tell a Black Joke? A Polish Joke? A Jewish Joke, etc? If you are Polish, and I tell a polish joke, what are you going to think? That I am a nice guy who is slightly bigoted - or "If this is what he says when I am in the room.."