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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #460 on: January 02, 2020, 05:07:21 PM »
But let me ask you this - is it okay for me to tell a Black Joke? A Polish Joke? A Jewish Joke, etc? If you are Polish, and I tell a polish joke, what are you going to think? That I am a nice guy who is slightly bigoted - or "If this is what he says when I am in the room.."
If I knew the person it would not bother me. If I was offended I would let him know.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #461 on: January 02, 2020, 05:20:16 PM »
If I knew the person it would not bother me. If I was offended I would let him know.

Presumably, if you knew the person - you'd know if they were a racist or not, and feel comfortable enough to tell them when you thought they stepped over a line. But if a stranger did it - how do I really know?

When I was in High School (about 25-30 years ago), a Black kid about my age gave the nazi salute and said "Heil Hitler" as I passed him by - aside from his ignorance that he'd have been in the concentration camp with me, I had little knowledge of what his true intentions were - was he just making a snarky comment, or if I came back with a (even non-racist) riposte, would that have led him to attack me?

At the same time, have had colleagues occasionally make jokes at my expense, and when it went to far, I'd make it known to them. 


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #462 on: January 02, 2020, 05:28:08 PM »
The intent is what matters and that is sometimes hard to tell.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #463 on: January 02, 2020, 05:38:32 PM »
Should a distinction be made between a racist and a racist that actually wants to see someone hurt?
I don't want blacks living next to me vs I will burn their house down.
What if he wants to burn their house down, but not with them it?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #464 on: January 02, 2020, 05:56:03 PM »
What if he wants to burn their house down, but not with them it?
Still a crime.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #465 on: January 02, 2020, 05:57:14 PM »
JUst in, shomrim member beaten in CH. No clue how legit it is but the fire is raging...
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #466 on: January 02, 2020, 06:14:56 PM »

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #467 on: January 02, 2020, 06:26:07 PM »
JUst in, shomrim member beaten in CH. No clue how legit it is but the fire is raging...
Didn't know what "shomrim" was so I googled. Not a good choice.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #468 on: January 02, 2020, 06:30:35 PM »
if this is true........ >:(
https://www.dailywire.com/news/manhattan-da-wont-prosecute-woman-cursing-and-assaulting-jewish-woman-as-hate-crime-report-says

no news that the daily wire is fake news

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #469 on: January 02, 2020, 06:35:36 PM »

no news that the daily wire is fake news
I saw this published elsewhere. I hope its not true

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #470 on: January 02, 2020, 07:14:04 PM »
JUst in, shomrim member beaten in CH. No clue how legit it is but the fire is raging...
seems like he was in middle of stealing. Shomrim tried to hold him for NYPD but he wasnt having any of it.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #472 on: January 02, 2020, 07:31:41 PM »
seems like he was in middle of stealing. Shomrim tried to hold him for NYPD but he wasnt having any of it.
Silly Shomrim. Don't interrupt a man while he's stealing! Poor guy wasn't even finished yet. How rude!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #473 on: January 02, 2020, 09:08:32 PM »
The minute the woman who slapped 3 Orthodox women was released, she went out an committed another crime, and was released again.
Guess what happened after being released a 2nd time. She was arrested yet again. What a joke she's made the new justice system look like.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #474 on: January 02, 2020, 09:49:55 PM »
Guess what happened after being released a 2nd time. She was arrested yet again. What a joke she's made the new justice system look like.
Shes the last person id say is responsible for that, look no further than all the wacko politicians over there

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #475 on: January 02, 2020, 10:14:37 PM »
Shes the last person id say is responsible for that, look no further than all the wacko politicians over there
She became the symbol of it.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #476 on: January 02, 2020, 10:57:29 PM »
Didn't know what "shomrim" was so I googled. Not a good choice.

http://crownheights.info/crime/693564/crown-heights-shomrim-in-action-catches-package-thief-red-handed/

In the past SOP would have been different. However in today's day and age of surveillance cameras everywhere, Shomrim are extremely careful not to cross certain lines.

Here's where some racists see preferential treatment. SOP for the NYPD would be not to pursue this any further once the perp is behind a closed door. However here Shomrim managed to "force" the police to take action. That's unfair! No other group gets the NYPD to go beyond their SOP of doing nothing of substance for such minor crimes like theft and burglary.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #477 on: January 02, 2020, 11:03:21 PM »
http://crownheights.info/crime/693564/crown-heights-shomrim-in-action-catches-package-thief-red-handed/

In the past SOP would have been different. However in today's day and age of surveillance cameras everywhere, Shomrim are extremely careful not to cross certain lines.

Here's where some racists see preferential treatment. SOP for the NYPD would be not to pursue this any further once the perp is behind a closed door. However here Shomrim managed to "force" the police to take action. That's unfair! No other group gets the NYPD to go beyond their SOP of doing nothing of substance for such minor crimes like theft and burglary.
It also turned up things like: In 1996 a Crown Heights Shomrim volunteer was convicted of assault charges after repeatedly hitting a suspect on the head with a walkie-talkie after the man had been subdued. In 2010 a Baltimore Shomrim volunteer was arrested for allegedly striking a black teenager.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #478 on: January 02, 2020, 11:08:48 PM »
It also turned up things like: In 1996 a Crown Heights Shomrim volunteer was convicted of assault charges after repeatedly hitting a suspect on the head with a walkie-talkie after the man had been subdued. In 2010 a Baltimore Shomrim volunteer was arrested for allegedly striking a black teenager.

That's why I said that things are done differently nowadays. In addition to the different environment some of those original Shomrim volunteers are still there, but aren't the young hot heads they were in the past.

BTW, each local Shomrim organization is independent of the others, but they do cooperate and communicate when relevant (most of the time they deal with highly localized issues, which doesn't call for much cooperation with organizations from other neighborhoods).
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #479 on: January 02, 2020, 11:10:45 PM »
That's why I said that things are done differently nowadays. In addition to the different environment some of those original Shomrim volunteers are still there, but aren't the young hot heads they were in the past.
They are in a catch 22. If violence breaks out they will be blamed.
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