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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #660 on: January 09, 2020, 11:42:40 AM »
Why do you think you're enough of an authority to agree or disagree with him?

Quote from: torasavigdor.org
Now, Internet you should know is the same as narcotics. It’s dangerous and has to be used only as needed and with great care. They wanted to put my tapes on the Internet. I would be willing to let people listen but I said nothing doing. I don’t want to encourage people to use the Internet freely. No, nothing doing. A wealthy man came to me recently and wanted to do this for me – to have my tapes on the Internet. So I told him, “Nothing doing.” He used to donate money to the Yeshiva once upon a time. But now, when I told him “no,” he stopped coming to donate money. So what?! I don’t care. I don’t care at all. Internet is not for me.

By virtue of the fact that you're reading this, I can ask you the same thing :)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #661 on: January 09, 2020, 11:46:58 AM »
By virtue of the fact that you're reading this, I can ask you the same thing :)
So anyone who reads Sherlock Holmes, views Arthur Conan Doyle as an authority? Do you have an answer? Not saying you gotta live according to his opinions, just that you shouldn't be deciding why things happened if you aren't any authority.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #662 on: January 09, 2020, 11:47:55 AM »
So anti-Semitism is a sign that are you losing your way?

Or seemingly, as sign that we as a nation are losing our way, and those that are still connected and pious need to re-double their efforts, even though they're being brought down by those who don't care about religion

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #663 on: January 09, 2020, 11:55:47 AM »
Yup, like the v'ad ziknah war raging in the videos thread. We didn't even get to the shei-ei-ei-nis or ay-ya-ya-ya sheinis fight.

That one is a non-starter. We clearly heard the Rebbe at the Omud more than once.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #664 on: January 09, 2020, 11:59:50 AM »
So anyone who reads Sherlock Holmes, views Arthur Conan Doyle as an authority? Do you have an answer?

As R' Miller is a Gadol, who's life advice we should follow - than why would it be any less okay to follow his viewpoint on the Holocaust as it would to follow his viewpoint on the Internet?


Not saying you gotta live according to his opinions, just that you shouldn't be deciding why things happened if you aren't any authority.

So for the record, you agree with him that the Internet is bad, and that holocaust and anti-semitism come about because other jews are assimilating, but you just don't live your life that way?


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #665 on: January 09, 2020, 12:07:45 PM »
As R' Miller is a Gadol, who's life advice we should follow - than why would it be any less okay to follow his viewpoint on the Holocaust as it would to follow his viewpoint on the Internet?


So for the record, you agree with him that the Internet is bad, and that holocaust and anti-semitism come about because other jews are assimilating, but you just don't live your life that way?
I didn't understand your point.
I was asking why you think you are entitled to an opinion on why anti-semitism happens. I'm not really sure where the rest comes in.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #666 on: January 09, 2020, 12:09:49 PM »
I didn't understand your point.
I was asking why you think you are entitled to an opinion on why anti-semitism happens. I'm not really sure where the rest comes in.

Entitled to an opinion?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #667 on: January 09, 2020, 12:10:02 PM »
I was asking why you think you are entitled to an opinion on why anti-semitism happens.
Is anyone here qualified?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #668 on: January 09, 2020, 12:13:49 PM »
Entitled to an opinion?
As in why G-d does things. If it's an area in which one has no knowledge.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #669 on: January 09, 2020, 12:14:57 PM »
Is anyone here qualified?
I don't think so. They can know what Jewish authorities have said on the matter and repeat that.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #670 on: January 09, 2020, 12:16:47 PM »
I don't think so. They can know what Jewish authorities have said on the matter and repeat that.
What happens when two Jewish authorities disagree?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #671 on: January 09, 2020, 12:18:12 PM »
What happens when two Jewish authorities disagree?
One against one?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #672 on: January 09, 2020, 12:20:08 PM »
One against one?
Pick a number. Is there any disagreement about the current anti-Semitism I am asking about?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #673 on: January 09, 2020, 12:23:23 PM »
Pick a number. Is there any disagreement about the current anti-Semitism I am asking about?
If it's current authorities, people will act according to what their authority tells them.
IDK, my point was that @Yonah is not an authority, (I assume,) so if he wants, he can quote an authority, but his opinion has no relevance. His meme was completely out of line.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #674 on: January 09, 2020, 12:27:49 PM »
If it's current authorities, people will act according to what their authority tells them.
So some of them will be acting incorrectly?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #675 on: January 09, 2020, 12:29:55 PM »
So some of them will be acting incorrectly?
No, the Torah says specifically to act according to what your authority rules. There is more than 1 way of acting in many different situations.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #676 on: January 09, 2020, 12:32:53 PM »
As in why G-d does things. If it's an area in which one has no knowledge.

Except for gedolei hador of course ;)

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #677 on: January 09, 2020, 12:35:09 PM »
I still however, have to respectfully disagree with R' Miller and all those who agree with him that the holocaust was brought upon Judaism for interacting with the non-jewish world.
Please study the history of that time. It was not mere interacting. It was losing almost all of European youth, it was assimilation at its finest, it was being unable to fill certain yeshivas with a minyan of frum bachurim…

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #678 on: January 09, 2020, 12:39:13 PM »
So anti-Semitism is protection for the Jews from the outside world?
I wouldn't call it protection, it's more like a wake-up call

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #679 on: January 09, 2020, 12:39:30 PM »
No, the Torah says specifically to act according to what your authority rules. There is more than 1 way of acting in many different situations.
I understand why this makes sense to you. Do you understand why those who don't follow the Torah find this (not sure what word to use as not to offend)?
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