Its Open Season on Jews

[S209]

To be perfectly honest, I think I would convert to being an Anti semite, observing the way some of us drive, but that's a completely different discussion...

You’re right, the problem is you.

Stereotyping as “Jewish” driving what anyone would recognize as “New York” driving means you likely buy other racist stereotypes as well. (Jews in out of town communities drive like locals there, and non-Jews in New York are just as notoriously dangerous as the Jews who were taught to drive in that environment). Going out on a limb here, do you think blacks are dumb?

[Luvisrael]

Name a time someone told you you should have been gassed to death. When you committed no obvious wrongdoing.

Im obviously not condoning the horrible language used here or justifying it, but you admitted yourself that you were blocking her vision. Its not as if you were innocently sitting there and someone attacked you unprovoked. Brookwood is not meant for two cars to turn at once. (just looked at it now on google maps)

[Luvisrael]

You’re right, the problem is you.

Stereotyping as “Jewish” driving what anyone would recognize as “New York” driving means you likely buy other racist stereotypes as well. (Jews in out of town communities drive like locals there, and non-Jews in New York are just as notoriously dangerous as the Jews who were taught to drive in that environment). Going out on a limb here, do you think blacks are dumb?

Im from NY and know "NY driving". Its next level obnoxious here and you know it.

[S209]

So we went from being yelled/cursed at to saying you should have been gassed to death.
Not like you to turn on a dime.

I firmly believe a typical white non-Jew never finds themselves on the end of an experience similar to the one I did today, and this is far from the first time it’s happened to me. Do you disagree?

You’re right, everyone gets yelled at occasionally.

[S209]

Im obviously not condoning the horrible language used here or justifying it, but you admitted yourself that you were blocking her vision. Its not as if you were innocently sitting there and someone attacked you unprovoked. Brookwood is not meant for two cars to turn at once. (just looked at it now on google maps)

You’re simply wrong. There is a left and right turning lane and there are two cars turning simultaneously every day of the week, Jew and gentile, police officers as well. I invite you to come visit. They’re actually putting up a traffic light there as well so it’s a dangerous intersection but that’s neither here nor there.

The police officer had no problem with what I was doing and agreed I did nothing wrong. Please don’t come here and falsely accuse me of triggering something to apologize for blatantly anti-Semitic behavior.

[Luvisrael]

I firmly believe a typical white non-Jew never finds themselves on the end of an experience similar to the one I did today, and this is far from the first time it’s happened to me. Do you disagree?

You’re right, everyone gets yelled at occasionally.

I would suggest doing a cheshbon hanefesh on the way you drive if your getting yelled at a lot. (I dont, but the times that I have, Ill admit I was 100% in the wrong, and yes some anti semetic lines were used) like those bumper stickers say "I also drive making a kiddush hashem"

[S209]

Im from NY and know "NY driving". Its next level obnoxious here and you know it.

New York driving is tough. Nobody disputes that. It’s you who made it a Jewish problem.

[CountValentine]

I firmly believe a typical white non-Jew never finds themselves on the end of an experience similar to the one I did today, and this is far from the first time it’s happened to me. Do you disagree?

You’re right, everyone gets yelled at occasionally.

How many Jews get bullied in school as just one example?

I guess I am not a typical white non-Jew as at one of my jobs I had to carry a gun.

[S209]

I would suggest doing a cheshbon hanefesh on the way you drive if your getting yelled at a lot. (I dont, but the times that I have, Ill admit I was 100% in the wrong, and yes some anti semetic lines were used) like those bumper stickers say "I also drive making a kiddush hashem"

I don’t drive dangerously and I have gotten yelled at in many venues including as a child walking home from school and as an adult standing in front of my own home. See upthread for more. You are once again exhibiting what is wrong with the mentality of “they’re only yelling at you because you did something wrong”. No, it’s not normal to get yelled at by a passenger that you should be gassed *even* if you did something wrong. Which I didn’t. Have you ever heard the term “victim-blaming”?

[Luvisrael]

New York driving is tough. Nobody disputes that. It’s you who made it a Jewish problem.

Looks like Ill have to agree to disagree here.

[S209]

Looks like Ill have to agree to disagree here.

You don’t actually have any standing to disagree. Sorry to be rude.

[Luvisrael]

I don’t drive dangerously and I get yelled in front of my own home. See upthread for more. You are once again exhibiting what is wrong with the mentality of “they’re only yelling at you because you did something wrong”. No, it’s not normal to get yelled at by a passenger that you should be gassed *even* if you did something wrong. Which I didn’t. Have you ever heard the term “victim-blaming”?

How come I dont get yelled at often? Is your beard or peyos longer?

[S209]

How many Jews get bullied in school as just one example?

I guess I am not a typical white non-Jew as at one of my jobs I had to carry a gun.

You mean Orthodox Jews in public schools? Anyone I know who was an Orthodox Jew who attended public school says they were bullied severely, without exception. They generally didn’t wear yarmulkes or noticeable Jewish objects for fear of even worse aggression.

[S209]

How come I dont get yelled at often? Is your beard or peyos longer?

As I’ve said, I bet you have, you just brush it off and forget about it. Think back long and hard. Are you going to tell me you really haven’t ever got yelled at in an anti-Semitic fashion? Just walking down the block minding your own business?

I do have both, not that it’s relevant.

[CountValentine]

You mean Orthodox Jews in public schools?

No in Jewish schools. Would yeshiva be the right word?

[imayid2]

No in Jewish schools. Would yeshiva be the right word?

So who would be doing the bullying?

[Yehuda57]

To be perfectly honest, I think I would convert to being an Anti semite, observing the way some of us drive, but that's a completely different discussion...

This kinda talk infuriates me to no end. Yes, there are plenty of Jews who drive badly. Do you know which other groups have bad drivers? EVERY SINGLE ONE. It's NYC, There are hundreds of thousands of frum Jews, if there is a bad driver, there are great odds the driver will be frum. Do you know who else drives badly in Crown Heights? Black people. Like a lot, and very badly. But that doesn't excuse me screaming at someone for *being black* because I'm mad at their driving, and certainly not to punch them or beat them up.

When you see bad behavior by individuals - even lots of them - and ascribe that behavior to an entire race/religion, etc, yes, you're a racist.

I would suggest doing a cheshbon hanefesh on the way you drive if your getting yelled at a lot. (I dont, but the times that I have, Ill admit I was 100% in the wrong, and yes some anti semetic lines were used) like those bumper stickers say "I also drive making a kiddush hashem"

I've gotten cursed out for biking dangerously because I was ... crossing the street on a green light. I've been screamed at for "owning the street" for walking on the sidewalk. But go off

[CountValentine]

So who would be doing the bullying?

This issue we are discussing is a white non-Jew getting yelled/cursed at or worse. Who is doing it doesn't matter.

[Euclid]

You don’t actually have any standing to disagree. Sorry to be rude.

Driving like a NYer in Lakewood/NJ definitely seems like "jewish" problem. Obviously not because of some inherent "Jews are bad drivers" defect. It's just that there are way more jewish NYers than anyone else and therefore it creates a stereotype.

Bottom line is that we, in general, forget that we're in galus and act like we own the place. This causes people not from our community (and even from our community! - I've heard plenty of bias against chassidim over the past 3-4 years) - to subconsciously associate (seemingly) rude behaviors to Jews. And that's how this form of casual anti-semitism is borne; I'm sure many of these people have jewish friends, and don't believe that Jews are trying to take over the world.

[TimT]

How many Jews get bullied in school as just one example?

Off the charts. People are afraid to look visibly Jewish. Others need to change schools. The people in charge look the other way.