Can this be a blueprint?

[Yonah]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lifelong-church-member-shot-killed-as-he-was-giving-communion-his-daughter-says/ar-BBYt8mQ?ocid=spartanntp

@CountValentine  - I normally don't agree with you, but here I do. I mentioned on the "Open Season" thread that I have several members in my synagogue who are armed. I am very grateful for those that are Law Enforcement or Military trained, and know that they will protect me and my family when needed, and at the same time I worry about some of the others who lack that level of training and experience.

[CountValentine]

@CountValentine  - I normally don't agree with you, but here I do. I mentioned on the "Open Season" thread that I have several members in my synagogue who are armed. I am very grateful for those that are Law Enforcement or Military trained, and know that they will protect me and my family when needed, and at the same time I worry about some of the others who lack that level of training and experience.

There are a ton of ex-trained individuals that would do this for free. It is not just about knowing guns but also the situation around you.

Your post is the first entry for Post Of The Year Award!!!
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=112222.0

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You keep harping on cars and I am the clown? 

A permit for a gun is a joke. You can't dispute that so you post nonsense.

Now you want to answer my simple question? Do you mic your ammo?

No idea what that is and the people in law enforcement and security that I asked, don't either.

Repeatedly this is just a game for you, my daddy is bigger than your daddy.. you pesants don't have the right to own guns because you don't know my silly codes

F&#$ off, seriously. You repeatedly do not want any discourse or discussion.. using a phrase that Google doesn't pull up and my friends in law enforcement of 20+ years don't know

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@CountValentine  - I normally don't agree with you, but here I do. I mentioned on the "Open Season" thread that I have several members in my synagogue who are armed. I am very grateful for those that are Law Enforcement or Military trained, and know that they will protect me and my family when needed, and at the same time I worry about some of the others who lack that level of training and experience.

That's not true they won't protect you and they constitutionally do not have the duty to protect you.

Repeatedly well enforcement has failed to protect the masses we just look at the crown heights riots

[CountValentine]

No idea what that is and the people in law enforcement and security that I asked, don't either.

Repeatedly this is just a game for you, my daddy is bigger than your daddy.. you pesants don't have the right to own guns because you don't know my silly codes

F&#$ off, seriously. You repeatedly do not want any discourse or discussion.. using a phrase that Google doesn't pull up and my friends in law enforcement of 20+ years don't know

Don't get your panties in a knot. This wasn't a test but a simple question.

[CountValentine]

That's not true they won't protect you and they constitutionally do not have the duty to protect you.

Repeatedly well enforcement has failed to protect the masses we just look at the crown heights riots

He is taking about having trained personal armed in his place of worship.
Take a deep breath now and chill.

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You have repeatedly shown your true colors. Saying people aren't properly trained it's just an excuse for you to go gun grab.

Personally I'm pretty critical of lax policies and laws.

But you mock a constitutional right of life and liberty.

It's citizens right to defend themselves and not have to rely on the police.

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He is taking about having trained personal armed in his place of worship.
Take a deep breath now and chill.

We use both paid armed security and volunteers in the synagogue who are trained. No one is firing wildly and randomly

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Don't get your panties in a knot. This wasn't a test but a simple question.

A simple question hmmm well let's see how many people in law enforcement don't know what that is then we will determine if it's a simple question

[CountValentine]

You have repeatedly shown your true colors. Saying people aren't properly trained it's just an excuse for you to go gun grab.

Personally I'm pretty critical of lax policies and laws.

But you mock a constitutional right of life and liberty.

It's citizens right to defend themselves and not have to rely on the police.

You are clueless. I own more guns 99.9999999 percent of the members here. I have been shot, shot at and had to return fire.
So you want to show true colors? Should I list the defense courses I have taken?
You can't dispute facts so just attack.

[CountValentine]

We use both paid armed security and volunteers in the synagogue who are trained. No one is firing wildly and randomly

Give every patron a gun because that is their 2A right and it is a disaster in the making.

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There are 2 separate questions being conflated here.
1) Gun control good or bad for society
2) Current laws being what they are, until more guns are taken off the street, should threatened people make every effort to train and arm themselves

 

[CountValentine]

There are 2 separate questions being conflated here.
1) Gun control good or bad for society
2) Current laws being what they are, until more guns are taken off the street, should threatened people make every effort to train and arm themselves

Lets leave 1 out of this.

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Give every patron a gun because that is their 2A right and it is a disaster in the making.

Never said that.  But every American has a right to keep in bear arms.

The shull requires CCW holders to first get written authorization from security team if they want to carry concealed to shull.

[aygart]

Never said that.  But every American has a right to keep in bear arms.

The shull requires CCW holders to first get written authorization from security team if they want to carry concealed to shull.

This sounds reasonable

[CountValentine]

This sounds reasonable

It depends what it entails? If it is he is a good guy and my buddy then HELL NO. If it is he has proof going through rigorous training then HELL YES!

[aygart]

It depends what it entails? If it is he is a good guy and my buddy then HELL NO. If it is he has proof going through rigorous training then HELL YES!

Welcome to life.

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Give every patron a gun because that is their 2A right and it is a disaster in the making.

Perhaps you 2 are talking on different wavelengths.
I think you both agree in the right to have a gun, and both might agree that basic training should be the bare minimum before bringing a gun home, whether it’s the law or not.

Now, bringing a gun into public as a public safety device, is a completely different use case than the above - CV believes this use requires real heavy duty training, and I’m not so sure Chevron disagrees.

[CountValentine]

Perhaps you 2 are talking on different wavelengths.
I think you both agree in the right to have a gun, and both might agree that basic training should be the bare minimum before bringing a gun home, whether it’s the law or not.

Now, bringing a gun into public as a public safety device, is a completely different use case than the above - CV believes this use requires real heavy duty training, and I’m not so sure Chevron disagrees.

I believe the 2A should have limits. The problem is when you say that you are labeled a left wing nut job that wants to ban guns.

I also believe if someone is going to conceal carry they have to pass rigorous training. I would not want to walk into a public place knowing every person with one brain cell is carrying a gun.

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Perhaps you 2 are talking on different wavelengths.
I think you both agree in the right to have a gun, and both might agree that basic training should be the bare minimum before bringing a gun home, whether it’s the law or not.

Now, bringing a gun into public as a public safety device, is a completely different use case than the above - CV believes this use requires real heavy duty training, and I’m not so sure Chevron disagrees.

My issue is with these criterion. What if a little old lady can decently shoot a 22 but can't hold a 45?

What about the fact that the little old lady needs to defend herself from a mugging?

Common sense is the rule.. whether it's always used is questionable.

However, if I carry a gun to defend myself, I don't see why I need swat level training.

Is the concern of a well meaning but poorly trained bystander a concern? Sure.. but that's not the exception not the rule.

If I was in the midst of a shooting God forbid , I'd need to ask myself if I could shoot the guy without hitting others, I'd also have to see the nature. If the guy was robbing a store I'd keep my mouth shut and my gun away, if the guy was systematically shooting everyone.. and if missing might be my only chance at saving my life or others.  Yea I'd have to risk it.

My mentality comes from living in Israel where often having a gun means living and not having a gun means dying.

It's different here, however, most cases merely drawing your weapon when attacked would scare someone off.