Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.

[whYME]

Without the treaty it just makes there job that much easier, no?

No, the treaty deal makes it much easier for them but with a small delay.

ETA: It wasn't a treaty.

[mercaz1]

Without the treaty it just makes there job that much easier, no?

the continued sanctions and continued exclusion from major world commerce makes it much harder than if they would have had access and grown their economy and were able to do everything to get ready till treaty expired which is pretty soon anyways

also they were violating the treaty pretty soon afterwards IIRC

[CountValentine]

No, the treaty deal makes it much easier for them but with a small delay.

ETA: It wasn't a treaty.

the continued sanctions and continued exclusion from major world commerce makes it much harder than if they would have had access and grown their economy and were able to do everything to get ready till treaty expired which is pretty soon anyways

also they were violating the treaty pretty soon afterwards IIRC

Not looking to go round and round even if it is Friday. Would it be fair to say nobody really knows and that is why the US is split on this?

[whYME]

Since in this thread you seem to be focusing on who said/did what, rather than the substance of the matter, how about what Schumer said about the deal

Therefore, I will vote to disapprove the agreement, ... because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power. Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.

For all of these reasons, I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.

[mercaz1]

Not looking to go round and round even if it is Friday. Would it be fair to say nobody really knows and that is why the US is split on this?

history will judge

[whYME]

Would it be fair to say nobody really knows and that is why the US is split on this?

No.
Obama having a huge fanbase is not an argument in favor of the deal.

[whYME]

So allowing them to make the bomb, but having them wait a few years first, during which they can work on all the technology they need to deliver the bomb, while giving them the cash they need for this and opening up their economy making everything easier, would've been a lot better than at least trying to stop them -- even if it's ultimately unsuccessful.

I know I was being snarky here, but I still believe the underlying point is very valid and you haven't even attempted to offer an opposing argument.

[CountValentine]

No.
Obama having a huge fanbase is not an argument in favor of the deal.

How about military experts? You think they can be swayed by charm?

[CountValentine]

Since in this thread you seem to be focusing on who said/did what, rather than the substance of the matter, how about

I love when others make my point.

[whYME]

I love when others make my point.

When your point is so unclear and all over the map I guess almost anything someone says can be making your point

[whYME]

How about military experts? You think they can be swayed by charm?

Yes, of course. (and yes, that does work for both sides.)

[CountValentine]

When your point is so unclear and all over the map I guess almost anything someone says can be making your point

Now you know how I feel. 

[CountValentine]

Yes, of course. (and yes, that does work for both sides.)

I tend to believe our military puts our country first not politics.

[whYME]

Anyways, when you have an actual argument why it's better to allow --even help them ($150billion + loosened sanctions) -- get the bomb in 10 years (5 more years from now) is better than at least trying to stop them, wake me up. until then I'm out.

[CountValentine]

Anyways, when you have an actual argument why it's better to allow --even help them ($150billion + loosened sanctions) -- get the bomb in 10 years (5 more years from now) is better than at least trying to stop them, wake me up. until then I'm out.

I don't have a better argument than anyone else. What I do know is this is a divided issue that transcends politics.