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Re: Irans military leader assassinated
« Reply #180 on: January 06, 2020, 02:39:01 PM »
Keep enabling him.
This is who he is, a complete ego maniac idiot. He thinks he knows more than all our great military minds.
The same ones who told us that moving the embassy to Jerusalem would make the region more volatile?  I am tired of the apologists for our enemies who are always afraid of hurting our enemies more than protecting us.
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Re: Irans military leader assassinated
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Re: Irans military leader assassinated
« Reply #182 on: January 06, 2020, 03:09:31 PM »
The same ones who told us that moving the embassy to Jerusalem would make the region more volatile?  I am tired of the apologists for our enemies who are always afraid of hurting our enemies more than protecting us.
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Re: Irans military leader assassinated
« Reply #183 on: January 06, 2020, 03:31:08 PM »
Can someone help with the paywall?
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Re: Irans military leader assassinated
« Reply #184 on: January 06, 2020, 04:11:42 PM »
The same ones who told us that moving the embassy to Jerusalem would make the region more volatile?  I am tired of the apologists for our enemies who are always afraid of hurting our enemies more than protecting us.
How did moving the embassy benefit the US? It sure didn't help the peace process. Who is "us" you are talking about?
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #185 on: January 06, 2020, 04:25:10 PM »
Thread title updated.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2020, 04:32:35 PM by Something Fishy »
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #186 on: January 06, 2020, 04:30:09 PM »
Thread title updated.

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How about this for a title? Israel turns its back on the US?

But the response of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was particularly striking, as he has been one of Trump’s staunchest supporters on the world stage. He told a meeting of his security cabinet on Monday: “The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

ETA: I fully expect Israel to change its tune.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2020, 04:37:07 PM by CountValentine »
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #187 on: January 06, 2020, 04:32:24 PM »
How about this for a title? Israel turns its back on the US?

But the response of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was particularly striking, as he has been one of Trump’s staunchest supporters on the world stage. He told a meeting of his security cabinet on Monday: “The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

What does that have to do with anything?

I think that we can all agree that this was the taking out of a terrorist, not an assassination of a "military leader".
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #188 on: January 06, 2020, 04:34:58 PM »
What does that have to do with anything?

I think that we can all agree that this was the taking out of a terrorist, not an assassination of a "military leader".
Everyone seems to be calling it an "assassination" even our so-called allies.

Wouldn't the top terrorist be the leader of Iran?
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #189 on: January 06, 2020, 04:57:00 PM »
How about this for a title? Israel turns its back on the US?

But the response of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was particularly striking, as he has been one of Trump’s staunchest supporters on the world stage. He told a meeting of his security cabinet on Monday: “The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

ETA: I fully expect Israel to change its tune.
Bibi also said that trump deserves full credit

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #190 on: January 06, 2020, 05:02:57 PM »
Bibi also said that trump deserves full credit
Of course he said that. He wants nothing to do with this.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #191 on: January 06, 2020, 05:53:35 PM »
Of course he said that. He wants nothing to do with this.
Do you think what Bibi says to the public is what he says it trump? Great odds that they agreed before or right the assasination that Israel MUST distance themselves as FAR as possible from this.

(Why do you think the Pentagon took credit so fast? Because Israel really assassinated him, but that would mean certain war, so Trump takes credit to avert a war.)
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #192 on: January 06, 2020, 05:57:25 PM »
Do you think what Bibi says to the public is what he says it trump? Great odds that they agreed before or right the assasination that Israel MUST distance themselves as FAR as possible from this.

(Why do you think the Pentagon took credit so fast? Because Israel really assassinated him, but that would mean certain war, so Trump takes credit to avert a war.)
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #193 on: January 06, 2020, 05:59:01 PM »
You missed your calling as a fiction writer.  :)
While I'm somewhat impartial, I must say that there's more than just speculation pointing to what he's saying.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #194 on: January 06, 2020, 06:04:55 PM »
While I'm somewhat impartial, I must say that there's more than just speculation pointing to what he's saying.
Fair enough, link please?
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #195 on: January 06, 2020, 06:06:47 PM »
Do you think what Bibi says to the public is what he says it trump? Great odds that they agreed before or right the assasination that Israel MUST distance themselves as FAR as possible from this.

(Why do you think the Pentagon took credit so fast? Because Israel really assassinated him, but that would mean certain war, so Trump takes credit to avert a war.)
First part sounds legit, second part makes no sense. (Mainly because it was in an area the US was already operating and Israel would need to fly through hostile territory to do it, what possible reason could there be for Israel to do it if the US is taking credit?)

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #196 on: January 06, 2020, 06:09:28 PM »
First part sounds legit, second part makes no sense.
Bibi has to stroke Trumps ego especially in public. Saying Trump "assassinated" someone is not the word he should have used.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #197 on: January 06, 2020, 06:39:56 PM »
Bibi has to stroke Trumps ego especially in public. Saying Trump "assassinated" someone is not the word he should have used.
1. I'm not sure what the big deal with the word "assassinated" is. I think context / how it's being used is more important.
2. I imagine Bibi was speaking Hebrew and probably didn't use the word "assassinated."
3. Do we even know that your quote is accurate?

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #198 on: January 06, 2020, 06:44:42 PM »
Can someone help with the paywall?
The Wall Street Journal
OPINION  COMMENTARY
The Democrats and Iran
Why can’t the party’s candidates simply admit Qasem Soleimani’s death makes Americans safer?
   
By Joe Lieberman
Jan. 5, 2020 5:15 pm ET

President Trump’s order to take out Qasem Soleimani was morally, constitutionally and strategically correct. It deserves more bipartisan support than the begrudging or negative reactions it has received thus far from my fellow Democrats.

The president’s decision was bold and unconventional. It’s understandable that the political class should have questions about it. But it isn’t understandable that all the questions are being raised by Democrats and all the praise is coming from Republicans. That divided response suggests the partisanship that has infected and disabled so much of U.S. domestic policy now also determines our elected leaders’ responses to major foreign-policy events and national-security issues, even the killing of a man responsible for murdering hundreds of Americans and planning to kill thousands more.

After World War II, Sen. Arthur Vandenberg, a Michigan Republican who was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, formed a bipartisan partnership with President Truman that helped secure the postwar peace and greatly strengthened America’s position in the Cold War. “Politics stops at the water’s edge,” said Vandenberg when asked why he worked so closely with a Democratic president. He added that his fellow Americans undoubtedly had “earnest, honest, even vehement” differences of opinion on foreign policy, but if “we can keep partisan politics out of foreign affairs, it is entirely obvious that we shall speak with infinitely greater authority abroad.”

In their uniformly skeptical or negative reactions to Soleimani’s death, Democrats are falling well below Vandenberg’s standard and, I fear, creating the risk that the U.S. will be seen as acting and speaking with less authority abroad at this important time.

No American can dispute that Soleimani created, supported and directed a network of terrorist organizations that spread havoc in the Middle East. In Syria he made it possible for the Assad regime to respond with brutality to its own people’s demands for freedom. More than 500,000 Syrians have died since 2011 and millions more have been displaced from their homes.

During the Iraq war, Soleimani oversaw three camps in Iran where his elite Quds Force trained and equipped Iraqi militias. According to the U.S. government, these fighters have killed more than 600 American soldiers since 2003. In another time, this would have been a just cause for an American war against Iran, and certainly for trying to eliminate Soleimani. Within Iran, the Quds Force has worked with the supreme leader to suppress freedom and economic opportunity, jail dissident politicians and journalists, and kill protesters in the streets.

From the perspective of American values and interests, it’s impossible to mourn the death of such a man, and Democrats haven’t. Their response thus far has been “Yes, but . . .,” adding worries that Soleimani’s death will provoke a violent response from Iran. Democrats have also suggested that the Trump administration has no coherent strategy toward Iran or that Mr. Trump shouldn’t have acted without notice to and permission from Congress.

Yet if we allow fear of a self-declared enemy like Iran to dictate our actions, we will only encourage them to come after us and our allies more aggressively. Some Democrats have said that killing Soleimani will lead us into war with Iran. In fact, Soleimani and the Quds Force have been at war with the U.S. for years. It is more likely that his death will diminish the chances of a wider conflict because the demonstration of our willingness to kill him will give Iranian leaders (and probably others like Kim Jong Un) much to fear.

Some Democrats have also refused to appreciate Soleimani’s elimination because they say it isn’t part of an overall strategy for the region. But based on the public record, there is a strategy, beginning with the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement, the shift to maximum economic pressure, and now adding a demonstrated willingness to respond with military force to Iran’s provocations. The goal is to bring the Iranian government back into negotiations to end its nuclear weapons program and rejoin the world’s economy.

The claim by some Democrats that Mr. Trump had no authority to order this attack without congressional approval is constitutionally untenable and practically senseless. Authority to act quickly to eliminate a threat to the U.S. is inherent in the powers granted to the president by the Constitution. It defies common sense to argue that the president must notify Congress or begin a formal process of authorization before acting on an imminent threat.

On many occasions President Obama sensibly ordered drone strikes on dangerous terrorist leaders, including U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki. He did so without specific congressional authorization, and without significant Democratic opposition. Mr. Obama also “brought justice” to Osama bin Laden without prior, explicit congressional approval.

It is possible that anti-Trump partisanship isn’t behind Democrats’ reluctance to say they’re glad Soleimani is dead. It may be that today’s Democratic Party simply doesn’t believe in the use of force against America’s enemies in the world. I don’t believe that is true, but episodes like this one may lead many Americans to wonder whether it is. If enough voters decide that Democrats can’t be trusted to keep America safe, Mr. Trump won’t have much trouble winning a second term in November. That’s one more reason Democrats should leave partisan politics at “the water’s edge” and, whatever their opinion of President Trump on other matters, stand together against Iran and dangerous leaders like Qasem Soleimani.

Mr. Lieberman, a Democrat, was a U.S. senator from Connecticut, 1989-2013, and is chairman of No Labels, a national organization working to revive bipartisanship.

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #199 on: January 06, 2020, 06:44:56 PM »
1 - Assassinated is never good.
2 - Could be.
3 - Not sure.
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