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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #615 on: January 10, 2020, 12:53:35 PM »
Without the treaty it just makes there job that much easier, no?
No, the treaty deal makes it much easier for them but with a small delay.

ETA: It wasn't a treaty.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #616 on: January 10, 2020, 12:53:59 PM »
Without the treaty it just makes there job that much easier, no?

the continued sanctions and continued exclusion from major world commerce makes it much harder than if they would have had access and grown their economy and were able to do everything to get ready till treaty expired which is pretty soon anyways

also they were violating the treaty pretty soon afterwards IIRC

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #617 on: January 10, 2020, 01:00:59 PM »
No, the treaty deal makes it much easier for them but with a small delay.

ETA: It wasn't a treaty.
the continued sanctions and continued exclusion from major world commerce makes it much harder than if they would have had access and grown their economy and were able to do everything to get ready till treaty expired which is pretty soon anyways

also they were violating the treaty pretty soon afterwards IIRC
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #618 on: January 10, 2020, 01:10:40 PM »
Since in this thread you seem to be focusing on who said/did what, rather than the substance of the matter, how about what Schumer said about the deal
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Therefore, I will vote to disapprove the agreement, ... because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power. Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.

For all of these reasons, I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #619 on: January 10, 2020, 01:11:50 PM »
Not looking to go round and round even if it is Friday. Would it be fair to say nobody really knows and that is why the US is split on this?

history will judge

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #620 on: January 10, 2020, 01:12:12 PM »
Would it be fair to say nobody really knows and that is why the US is split on this?
No.
Obama having a huge fanbase is not an argument in favor of the deal.

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #621 on: January 10, 2020, 01:14:26 PM »
So allowing them to make the bomb, but having them wait a few years first, during which they can work on all the technology they need to deliver the bomb, while giving them the cash they need for this and opening up their economy making everything easier, would've been a lot better than at least trying to stop them -- even if it's ultimately unsuccessful.

I know I was being snarky here, but I still believe the underlying point is very valid and you haven't even attempted to offer an opposing argument.

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #622 on: January 10, 2020, 01:18:01 PM »
No.
Obama having a huge fanbase is not an argument in favor of the deal.
How about military experts? You think they can be swayed by charm?
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #623 on: January 10, 2020, 01:18:53 PM »
Since in this thread you seem to be focusing on who said/did what, rather than the substance of the matter, how about
I love when others make my point.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #624 on: January 10, 2020, 01:23:52 PM »
I love when others make my point.
When your point is so unclear and all over the map I guess almost anything someone says can be making your point

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #625 on: January 10, 2020, 01:25:57 PM »
How about military experts? You think they can be swayed by charm?
Yes, of course. (and yes, that does work for both sides.)

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #626 on: January 10, 2020, 01:26:54 PM »
When your point is so unclear and all over the map I guess almost anything someone says can be making your point
Now you know how I feel.  ;)
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #627 on: January 10, 2020, 01:28:38 PM »
Yes, of course. (and yes, that does work for both sides.)
I tend to believe our military puts our country first not politics.
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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #628 on: January 10, 2020, 01:30:44 PM »
Anyways, when you have an actual argument why it's better to allow --even help them ($150billion + loosened sanctions) -- get the bomb in 10 years (5 more years from now) is better than at least trying to stop them, wake me up. until then I'm out. :)

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Re: Iran's Top Terrorist Taken Out By The U.S.
« Reply #629 on: January 10, 2020, 01:36:02 PM »
Anyways, when you have an actual argument why it's better to allow --even help them ($150billion + loosened sanctions) -- get the bomb in 10 years (5 more years from now) is better than at least trying to stop them, wake me up. until then I'm out. :)
I don't have a better argument than anyone else. What I do know is this is a divided issue that transcends politics.
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