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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2020, 05:08:40 PM »
Wouldn't the missle head explode?

Is it made in Russia?

Also "Using command guidance and radar controlled proximity fuzes, the missiles can maneuver at up to 30Gs and engage targets flying at up to Mach 2."
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2020, 08:00:35 PM »
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2020, 10:21:59 PM »
I was thinking the reason Ukraine might have called it an engine failure (aside from being pressured by Iran) is for insurance purposes. If it was shot down (which almost definitely seems to be the case) then it would be considered an act of war and it's highly unlikely their insurance would payout. Good luck suing Iran for that though. They might start another war to get out of that liability.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2020, 10:57:23 PM »
https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-138-passengers-were-heading-to-canada-11904127


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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2020, 12:02:45 AM »
https://samchui.com/2020/01/09/intelligence-agencies-dont-believe-ukrainian-737-was-shot-down/
Like maybe it's possible but it's also interesting that videos showing the plane on fire keep getting pulled down. I could see how intelligence agencies would try to make this look like a mistake if it helps to de-escalate the conflict that is brewing. It's probably better for the passengers to call it an accident so their families can recover compensation (it's not like knowing the truth will bring them back). The blackbox would likely help us know for sure what happened but maybe the world is better off pretending it was a malfunction if that helps us keep the peace.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2020, 12:04:10 AM »
Boeing will never allow this to look like an accident, if it wasn't one.

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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2020, 10:27:53 AM »
So in other words Iran is confirming that they shot it down.

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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2020, 11:51:57 AM »

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313

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The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek.

Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, a Boeing 737800 en route from Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airpot to Kyiv's Boryspil International Airport, stopped transmitting data Tuesday just minutes after takeoff and not long after Iran launched missiles at military bases housing U.S. and allied forces in neighboring Iraq. The aircraft is believed to have been struck by a Russia-built Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile system, known to NATO as Gauntlet, the three officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, told Newsweek.

One Pentagon and one U.S senior intelligence official told Newsweek that the Pentagon's assessment is that the incident was accidental. Iran's anti-aircraft were likely active following the country's missile attack, which came in response to the U.S. killing last week of Revolutionary Guard Quds Force commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, sources said.

U.S. Central Command declined to comment on the matter when contacted by Newsweek. No reply was returned from the National Security Council or State Department.

Of the 176 people on board, 82 were Iranian, 63 were Canadian and 11 were Ukrainian (including nine crewmembers), along with 10 Swedish, seven Afghan and three German nationals. None survived.

The incident was first reported by Iranian semi-official media outlets, which cited the country's Red Crescent Society as assessing that the initial cause appeared to be mechanical failure. The Ukrainian embassy in Tehran shared this view in a statement, but later retracted it, with Kyiv warning not to draw conclusions from preliminary assessments.

Images began to circulate Wednesday of what appeared to be fragments of a Tor M-1 missile said to have been found in a suburb southwest of Tehran. Ukraine Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danylov said Thursday in a statement that contact with a Tor M-1 system was among the potential causes for the plane's destruction that his country was looking into.

Other potential scenarios involved a collision with an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) or another flying object, technical malfunction and a terrorist attack.

The Civil Aviation Organization of Iran Chief has also invited Canada and Sweden to cooperate in the accident investigation, however, Chief Executive Ali Abedzadeh has stressed that he would not hand over the aircraft's black box⁠which may provide details of the doomed flight's final moments⁠to the United States.

Abedzadeh also on Thursday dismissed speculation that a missile strike took down. In a statement, he said this outcome was "scientifically impossible and such rumors make no sense at all."

In a rare call Thursday, Canadian Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne spoke with his Iranian counterpart Mohammad Javad Zarif, to whom he "stressed the need for Canadian officials to be quickly granted access to Iran to provide consular services, help with identification of the deceased and take part in the investigation of the crash."

Champagne said that "Canada and Canadians have many questions which will need to be answered."

Asked whether the Canadian government is considering or leading with the possibility that an anti-aircraft missile took down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, Global Affairs spokesperson Krystyna Dodds said her office would have to get back to Newsweek on the matter.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2020, 12:37:06 PM »
would an elal plane really be able to avoid such an accident?

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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2020, 12:39:24 PM »
Wouldn't the missle head explode?
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2020, 01:09:13 PM »
would an elal plane really be able to avoid such an accident?
Possibly because it wouldn't be in the air when there was an FAA warning. That was clearly a very aggressive time to fly and shouldn't have been done. I'm curious if Iranian's even knew that they launched a dozen missles at US bases? If they did who in their right mind would've even boarded that flight.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2020, 01:34:24 PM »
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2020, 01:46:20 PM »
Possibly because it wouldn't be in the air when there was an FAA warning. That was clearly a very aggressive time to fly and shouldn't have been done. I'm curious if Iranian's even knew that they launched a dozen missles at US bases? If they did who in their right mind would've even boarded that flight.

I was referring to elal's anti missile system..... the only airline to have it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israeli-airline-missile-defenses-israel-us-carriers-wont/story?id=24684650

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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2020, 01:59:05 PM »
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Speed of sounds. Kind of like thunder after lightening. Means that the plane was like 3 miles away or so when the missle hit.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2020, 02:09:00 PM »
I was referring to elal's anti missile system..... the only airline to have it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israeli-airline-missile-defenses-israel-us-carriers-wont/story?id=24684650

It would not work as BUKS are radar guided systems.
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Re: Ukraine Air Crash in Iran???
« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2020, 02:13:56 PM »
If they did who in their right mind would've even boarded that flight.
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