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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950394 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1520 on: July 14, 2016, 09:58:24 AM »
I'm confused by this whole discussion. Are we talking about these things?

And people are asking about a bit of ices that comes off when you bite the top of the plastic? If that's the case, you're all amateurs - no need for any ices to come off when opening. If not, someone please explain :-\

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1521 on: July 14, 2016, 10:24:02 AM »
I'm confused by this whole discussion. Are we talking about these things?

And people are asking about a bit of ices that comes off when you bite the top of the plastic? If that's the case, you're all amateurs - no need for any ices to come off when opening. If not, someone please explain :-\
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Whether your biting it or using a knife, the top comes off clean. There IS no small piece!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1522 on: July 14, 2016, 10:25:00 AM »
I'm confused by this whole discussion. Are we talking about these things?

And people are asking about a bit of ices that comes off when you bite the top of the plastic? If that's the case, you're all amateurs - no need for any ices to come off when opening. If not, someone please explain :-\
Say its shabbos & you're being careful not to cut the words so you cut a little further in.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1523 on: July 14, 2016, 10:27:24 AM »
Any issues with opening these up on Shabbos?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1524 on: July 14, 2016, 10:33:37 AM »
Any issues with opening these up on Shabbos?
No. But separating them is a problem

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1525 on: July 14, 2016, 10:35:33 AM »
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Whether your biting it or using a knife, the top comes off clean. There IS no small piece!
The small piece is the bestest part of the whole thing... (In my professional opinion)

So my question was regarding choviv vs large/ikar.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1526 on: July 14, 2016, 10:39:11 AM »
No. But separating them is a problem
Cutting through the words is ok ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1527 on: July 14, 2016, 10:41:21 AM »
Cutting through the words is ok ?
Not ok

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1528 on: July 14, 2016, 10:48:18 AM »
Say its shabbos & you're being careful not to cut the words so you cut a little further in.
There are no words at the very tip. You're just confirming my suspicions. Learn how to do it right ;D
The small piece is the bestest part of the whole thing... (In my professional opinion)

So my question was regarding choviv vs large/ikar.
You're not losing that piece if you bite/tear off the top. You're just eating it with the rest of the ices.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1529 on: July 14, 2016, 10:52:17 AM »
There are no words at the very tip. You're just confirming my suspicions. Learn how to do it right
That depends which company you get.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1530 on: July 14, 2016, 11:01:20 AM »
That depends which company you get.
Can't say for sure that I've tried every single company out there, but I've yet to see one with anything printed at the very tip. You should only be taking off half an inch at most - of plastic, no ices.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1531 on: July 14, 2016, 11:02:56 AM »
On a related note, why is is assur to rip letters on food packages? It can be done without ripping letters so it's not a psik reisha, and it's definitely davar she'eino miskaven. Why is it different from be'ila rishona on Shabbos?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1532 on: July 14, 2016, 11:03:15 AM »
Can't say for sure that I've tried every single company out there, but I've yet to see one with anything printed at the very tip. You should only be taking off half an inch at most - of plastic, no ices.
You freeze them standing up ? When I throw in a box of 144, they're laying down & as a result freeze at both ends.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1533 on: July 14, 2016, 11:20:13 AM »
You freeze them standing up ? When I throw in a box of 144, they're laying down & as a result freeze at both ends.
Doesn't matter, you can still get your teeth (or a knife) between the top of the ice and the plastic.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1534 on: July 14, 2016, 11:21:08 AM »
No. But separating them is a problem
can a scissors be used?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1535 on: July 14, 2016, 11:27:01 AM »
On a related note, why is is assur to rip letters on food packages? It can be done without ripping letters so it's not a psik reisha, and it's definitely davar she'eino miskaven. Why is it different from be'ila rishona on Shabbos?
you are technically correct but the minhag is not to do it. Some say it is still ossure miderabonon.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1536 on: July 14, 2016, 11:40:24 AM »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1537 on: July 14, 2016, 11:44:12 AM »
you are technically correct but the minhag is not to do it. Some say it is still ossure miderabonon.
I'm not satisfied with that answer. Is it a minhag based on a zohar?

Why would it be assur miderabanan? How is it different than my example?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1538 on: July 14, 2016, 12:02:39 PM »
I'm not satisfied with that answer. Is it a minhag based on a zohar?

Why would it be assur miderabanan? How is it different than my example?
The rational why it would be derabonon is because it is not al menas lichtov.

The MB is mattir shelo al menas lichtov with psik reisha only in an unusual mannar like eating a cookie with writing. tearing a package is not unusual so it is not permitted by the MB

Im not so sure about your definition of why it is not a psik resha





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Yalkut Yosef (Shabbat vol 5, p. 117) permits tearing through letters because it is a psik reisha d’lo nicha lei on a rabbinic prohibition.

Not minhag ashkenaz though.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1539 on: July 14, 2016, 12:14:57 PM »
The rational why it would be derabonon is because it is not al menas lichtov.

The MB is mattir shelo al menas lichtov with psik reisha only in an unusual mannar like eating a cookie with writing. tearing a package is not unusual so it is not permitted by the MB

Im not so sure about your definition of why it is not a psik resha


It starts out as a derabanan because it's not al minas lichtov. How is it a psik reisha if it can also be done without ripping? Definitely easier than the bekiyim who were able to do be'ila without rupturing!
If you don't care why would you comment?
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