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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950357 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1760 on: October 23, 2016, 03:07:22 PM »
Why isn't the gezegenin done today ? Kinda like נעילת החג

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1761 on: October 23, 2016, 03:08:09 PM »
Why isn't the gezegenin done today ? Kinda like נעילת החג
ikvu imi Yom echad
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1762 on: October 23, 2016, 04:27:45 PM »
Why isn't the gezegenin done today ? Kinda like נעילת החג
Sfeka deyoma

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1763 on: October 23, 2016, 04:28:06 PM »
There are French cars that grow on trees?
Yes. They taste like the tree.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1764 on: October 29, 2016, 08:15:23 PM »
Yes. They taste like the tree.
I know people like to keep their anonymity here, but are you Michel Lotito by any chance?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1765 on: October 29, 2016, 08:43:35 PM »
Just want to confirm this cuz my kid was asking. - frogs were created on 5th day. - even though the are also land ish?

As shrotzim.. as in vayishratz hayeor tzefardeim

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1766 on: October 29, 2016, 08:43:47 PM »
I know people like to keep their anonymity here, but are you Michel Lotito by any chance?
It's top secret

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1767 on: October 29, 2016, 11:31:02 PM »
Just want to confirm this cuz my kid was asking. - frogs were created on 5th day. - even though the are also land ish?

As shrotzim.. as in vayishratz hayeor tzefardeim
interesting. also interesting what google turned up.
http://creationwiki.org/Frog

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1768 on: October 29, 2016, 11:36:06 PM »
DDF'esque shaila:
Someone has a 7am flight this week, booked before they realized that local zmanim are as late as possible this week. Alos is at 6, misheyakir 627, neitz about 715.
landing at 2pm local time.
does not want to daven on the plane under any circumstances with T and T
does want to eat/work etc. on plane
my first option was to adivse him to suck it up and daven on the plane.
option two is to put on T and T and say shema at 627, get on the plane (assuming they'll close doors at 645, and daven on the plane sans his crowning glory
option three is daven entirely before, but I don't see how he can say birchas KS and SE before mishiyakir.
thoughts?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1769 on: October 30, 2016, 01:46:45 AM »
DDF'esque shaila:
Someone has a 7am flight this week, booked before they realized that local zmanim are as late as possible this week. Alos is at 6, misheyakir 627, neitz about 715.
landing at 2pm local time.
does not want to daven on the plane under any circumstances with T and T
does want to eat/work etc. on plane
my first option was to adivse him to suck it up and daven on the plane.
option two is to put on T and T and say shema at 627, get on the plane (assuming they'll close doors at 645, and daven on the plane sans his crowning glory
option three is daven entirely before, but I don't see how he can say birchas KS and SE before mishiyakir.
thoughts?

I would daven shachris on plane and do T&T mincha

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1770 on: October 30, 2016, 01:55:41 AM »
What's the problem? He's got plenty of time before shkia.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1771 on: October 30, 2016, 02:09:36 AM »
What's the problem? He's got plenty of time before shkia.
just eating and working :)
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1772 on: October 30, 2016, 02:10:46 AM »
I would daven shachris on plane and do T&T mincha
someone else suggested that. I'm thinking karkafta dlo manach tefillin. but not sure when that applies

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1773 on: October 30, 2016, 02:18:45 AM »
just eating and working :)

Eating should be no problem.
As for working... It depends what the work is. Avodah shebeleiv?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1774 on: October 30, 2016, 02:20:17 AM »
I would daven shachris on plane and do T&T mincha

And say kinos? ::)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1775 on: October 30, 2016, 02:31:53 AM »
I'm thinking it's past Freddie's bedtime :) Why is eating no problem?
What would you do? LAX-PIT, 7am flight this week hypothetical.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1776 on: October 30, 2016, 02:41:10 AM »
I'm thinking it's past Freddie's bedtime :) Why is eating no problem?
What would you do? LAX-PIT, 7am flight this week hypothetical.

I always eat before davening. Coffee and mezonos.

But to answer your question... hypothetically... First of all I would never book such a flight! Oy!
But if I were forced to fly such a flight then I would probably daven on the plane. I sure wouldn't daven before alos. And let's say I accidentally put my talis and tefilin in my checked bag (which would never happen because I almost never check bags and if I did I would never put my talis and tefilin in there but just to make s hypothetical scenario) I would daven when I got to my destination.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1777 on: October 30, 2016, 02:45:41 AM »
I always eat before davening. Coffee and mezonos.

But to answer your question... hypothetically... First of all I would never book such a flight! Oy!
But if I were forced to fly such a flight then I would probably daven on the plane. I sure wouldn't daven before alos. And let's say I accidentally put my talis and tefilin in my checked bag (which would never happen because I almost never check bags and if I did I would never put my talis and tefilin in there but just to make s hypothetical scenario) I would daven when I got to my destination.
your heter to eat before davening is to give koach for davening (I hope). not sure if that would apply here. I'm guessing you don't have a heter for work.
So, serious, and respectful question - if zman tefila doesn't concern you, why does alos and shkiah?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1778 on: October 30, 2016, 03:05:44 AM »
Ok, so I will try to address all of your questions/points.

Yes, the heter to eat before davening is davka for the sake of the davening. And it's more than just a heter, it's a whole shita. I mention this only because it is kind of pertinent to the whole discussion: preparing to daven.

Correct, I know of no heter to work before davening. For that matter, however, I don't know of anything you're supposed to do before davening besides preparing for davening. Working isn't preparing for davening.

Regarding the zmanei tefilia... ideal time for shachris starts at the netz. I wouldn't daven before then (even after alos which there is a heter for if traveling) and certainly not before alos. My only heter to not daven at netz is if I am preparing to daven and I'm still not ready. Sometimes it takes longer. Obviously it's nice if that happens before sof zman tefila but if I'm not ready, then I'm not ready and I'll forgo the s'char tefila b'zman and daven until chatzos which is still certainly zman shachris. The only question arises when it's already after chatzos and I'm not going to try to make a campaign out of arguing this point. What I will say, however, since it was part of your question, is that come shkia, then it's "ready or not." You can't make a brocha on talis and tefilin after that.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1779 on: October 30, 2016, 03:09:51 AM »
Ok, so I will try to address all of your questions/points.

Yes, the heter to eat before davening is davka for the sake of the davening. And it's more than just a heter, it's a whole shita. I mention this only because it is kind of pertinent to the whole discussion: preparing to daven.

Correct, I know of no heter to work before davening. For that matter, however, I don't know of anything you're supposed to do before davening besides preparing for davening. Working isn't preparing for davening.

Regarding the zmanei tefilia... ideal time for shachris starts at the netz. I wouldn't daven before then (even after alos which there is a heter for if traveling) and certainly not before alos. My only heter to not daven at netz is if I am preparing to daven and I'm still not ready. Sometimes it takes longer. Obviously it's nice if that happens before sof zman tefila but if I'm not ready, then I'm not ready and I'll forgo the s'char tefila b'zman and daven until chatzos which is still certainly zman shachris. The only question arises when it's already after chatzos and I'm not going to try to make a campaign out of arguing this point. What I will say, however, since it was part of your question, is that come shkia, then it's "ready or not." You can't make a brocha on talis and tefilin after that.
Got it,  Thank you.