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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 324263 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2190 on: May 07, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
That is the typical reason someone would wish to kasher milchig or fleishig utensils.
Not at all. Far more common to kasher a meat utensil that was used inadvertently with dairy and vice versa.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2191 on: May 07, 2017, 12:43:11 PM »


In all of these cases (based on different noisei keilim) one can kasher milchig and fleishig keilim.You don't have to switch the water since it's a n"t bar n"t. If one of the keilim is Aino ben yomo you can even kasher them at the same time.
Lechatchila you should not use the kashering water for any other food purposes since you should not be goirem a n"t bar n"t lechatchila (amoung other reasons)
That answers the question. Thanks.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2192 on: May 07, 2017, 12:43:35 PM »
Not at all. Far more common to kasher a meat utensil that was used inadvertently with dairy and vice versa.
then it would be treif and the minhag wouldn't apply

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2193 on: May 07, 2017, 12:48:33 PM »
then it would be treif and the minhag wouldn't apply
+1 And then has nothing to do with kashering milchig or fleishig.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2194 on: May 07, 2017, 12:51:39 PM »
there is a minhag brought down in the mg"a in Hilchos Yom tov not to kasher back and forth from milchig to fleishig, to prevent a mess up. Sephardic are not makpid and even Ashkenazim have several ways around this.
1. Kashering for Pareve use.
2. Treif it up first
3. Kashering for pesach
4. Buying from someone else

To make it treif can sometime be an issue of bishul basar bichalav. proceed with caution.

In general there are various minhagim about these options AYLOR

In all of these cases (based on different noisei keilim) one can kasher milchig and fleishig keilim.You don't have to switch the water since it's a n"t bar n"t. If one of the keilim is Aino ben yomo you can even kasher them at the same time.
Lechatchila you should not use the kashering water for any other food purposes since you should not be goirem a n"t bar n"t lechatchila (amoung other reasons)
-1
The Tur clearly states that it should be eino ben yomo between milk and meat. THe Taz limits that to lichatchila
If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo or batel.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2195 on: May 07, 2017, 01:12:27 PM »
To make it treif can sometime be an issue of bishul basar bichalav. proceed with caution.

In general there are various minhagim about these options AYLOR
-1
The Tur clearly states that it should be eino ben yomo between milk and meat. THe Taz limits that to lichatchila
If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo or batel.
I'm sure how what your saying contradicted my post.
If milchig and fleishig keilim together need to be ainoi ben yomo.
It it's treif it should be Aino ben yomo prior to Kashering. In both these Ta'am pagum is something that is referred as the 3rd n"t in siman צ"ה

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2196 on: May 07, 2017, 01:15:22 PM »
I'm sure how what your saying contradicted my post.
If milchig and fleishig keilim together need to be ainoi ben yomo.
It it's treif it should be Aino ben yomo prior to Kashering. In both these Ta'am pagum is something that is referred as the 3rd n"t in siman צ"ה
It needs to be eino ben yomo even if not done together.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2197 on: May 07, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »


If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo.
Everything (pot and silverware) are not ben-yomo. So same water?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2198 on: May 07, 2017, 01:20:58 PM »
Everything (pot and silverware) are not ben-yomo. So same water?

yes but be careful about this.

It is important to ensure that there is nothing in nicks and serrations which is often impossible. If there is that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis depending on the exact situation.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2199 on: May 07, 2017, 01:24:03 PM »
+1 And then has nothing to do with kashering milchig or fleishig.
Exactly. These would not be defined as milchic or fleishik keilim.

Question is can I kasher treif bb"c together with treif bb"c? - Same thing.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2200 on: May 07, 2017, 01:33:56 PM »
I personally don't drink coffee, but I personally would not drink from starbucks nor any non kosher store who prepares there coffee together with the rest of treif store, they use the same hands filled with the kentucky fried chicken or in starbucks when the just finished cutting in half the cheese burger which they warmed up in the microwave/oven/toaster and then go fill your cups of coffee up and use the rag to clean the machines with there oily hands touching everything, and they use the same dishwasher for the basic metal utensils which they use to make the coffee, and together cleaning all the plates which served the food and non kosher cake /meat /cheeses...

 To me I see it all treif, and don't see why there's a heter to drink from these stores, the funny part is I have never seen any rav nor and hashgacha given or allowed such coffees from such stores..
 Or maybe there is and I never saw it, I mean a normal hashgacha not some rabbi out in the boon docks.
 Unlike glass which is totally different which im sure lots hold its ok to use whether a bar or on a date...

What about Batul Beshishim?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2201 on: May 07, 2017, 01:58:57 PM »
What about Batul Beshishim?
That typically does not work when it is being done for you.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2202 on: May 07, 2017, 04:41:11 PM »
That typically does not work when it is being done for you.

What's the source?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2203 on: May 07, 2017, 04:44:54 PM »
What's the source?
YD 99:5 see also ShaCh 11
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2204 on: May 07, 2017, 08:36:36 PM »
What about Batul Beshishim?

That typically does not work when it is being done for you.
The heter is based in the dish soap. Part of Starbucks' unique washing process involves hot water without soap, that's why it's more problematic than other venues.

The Starbucks heter is that it's store policy to wash the coffee equipment separate from the tarfus, plus the water coming into coffee bowl is only kli sheini.
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