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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 538800 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3500 on: March 04, 2019, 09:48:39 PM »
it seems that the device is actually stretching the ring so it doesn't break when opening and can now be screwed on again afterwards. If my assumption is correct , why is that not in it if itself makeh bepatish?
figured the same, cant see exactly what it does, but looked like it cuts a new pattern into it...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3501 on: March 04, 2019, 09:56:55 PM »
The literature accompanying the video claims that when the cap is placed back on the bottle the ring will break off the next time the cap is screwed on unless the device is used the second time. If this device is successful it will be its own undoing, since the manufacturers will no longer have a tamper proof bottle and will have to redesign it....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3502 on: March 05, 2019, 10:43:16 AM »
The literature accompanying the video claims that when the cap is placed back on the bottle the ring will break off the next time the cap is screwed on unless the device is used the second time. If this device is successful it will be its own undoing, since the manufacturers will no longer have a tamper proof bottle and will have to redesign it....
What? Because because a few Jews are opening bottles with the ring they will re-invent the cap?!?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3503 on: March 05, 2019, 10:46:08 AM »
it seems that the device is actually stretching the ring so it doesn't break when opening and can now be screwed on again afterwards. If my assumption is correct , why is that not in it if itself makeh bepatish?
Bending the small plastic sticks that hold the ring on is not considered a molocha. On the contrary the problem this poses, is now that this device is available you should be able to open the cap regularly as breaking the ring is not necessary!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3504 on: March 05, 2019, 10:47:13 AM »
figured the same, cant see exactly what it does, but looked like it cuts a new pattern into it...
No cutting. It just bends the small plastic sticks out so they don’t hold the ring back.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3505 on: March 05, 2019, 10:48:20 AM »
Perhaps they should be more clear in their "halachic analysis" that it "may" be an issue to open a closed bottle on Shabbos, as is actually written in some of the haskomas. Not just write point black that it is an issue.
It’s a chashash De’oraisya, Shabbos, korus. Not sure what more you need.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3506 on: March 05, 2019, 10:56:10 AM »
It’s a chashash De’oraisya, Shabbos, korus. Not sure what more you need.
According to some poskim.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3507 on: March 05, 2019, 11:25:52 AM »
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3508 on: March 05, 2019, 11:30:37 AM »
According to some poskim.
According to a lot.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3509 on: March 05, 2019, 04:08:05 PM »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3510 on: March 05, 2019, 04:13:53 PM »
It’s a chashash De’oraisya, Shabbos, korus. Not sure what more you need.
Actually that’s Yom Kippur. It’s skilla.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3511 on: March 05, 2019, 04:53:14 PM »
Actually that’s Yom Kippur. It’s skilla.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3512 on: March 05, 2019, 04:55:52 PM »
True
I'm still not sure why this is relevant, everyone should ask their LOR and follow what he says regardless of whether he is maikel or machmir.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3513 on: March 05, 2019, 05:08:42 PM »
Just the convo we need, bottles on shabbos.
The very simple psak- AYLOR.

I still see potential problems with this piece,
A. Why are you not still creating the cap?
B. Pushing the spikes aside/widening the ring, allowing the bottle to open should be makeh bepatish, as @moko mentioned.
C. If the problem is with the bottle this doesn't help anything.

Still this seems to have some respectable haskamos.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3514 on: March 05, 2019, 05:08:57 PM »
I'm still not sure why this is relevant, everyone should ask their LOR and follow what he says regardless of whether he is maikel or machmir.
Also true.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3515 on: March 05, 2019, 08:45:48 PM »
Just the convo we need, bottles on shabbos.
The very simple psak- AYLOR.

I still see potential problems with this piece,
A. Why are you not still creating the cap?
B. Pushing the spikes aside/widening the ring, allowing the bottle to open should be makeh bepatish, as @moko mentioned.
C. If the problem is with the bottle this doesn't help anything.

Still this seems to have some respectable haskamos.
A. The creation of the cap would be breaking the cap off the ring-something the company didn’t do. But pulling off the whole thing including the ring together is not creating anything new that the company didn’t create.
B. Why would it be makeh bpatish? Your not completing a kli-your just pulling  off the kli
C. Does anyone hold the problem is with the bottle? The bottle is definitely a complete kli and your not adding to it, if anything your making it less which would be mekalkel.

Basically the company created a kli called ‘cap with perforated ring’ and if you take the ring off the cap you made a new kli (acc. to some poskim)
But removing the whole kli (partly mutilating it btw) avoids the problem of creating something new.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3516 on: March 05, 2019, 09:06:21 PM »


C. Does anyone hold the problem is with the bottle? The bottle is definitely a complete kli and your not adding to it, if anything your making it less which would be mekalkel.
Yes, R' Moshe holds the issue is making an opening on the bottle.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3517 on: March 05, 2019, 10:26:57 PM »
Yes, R' Moshe holds the issue is making an opening on the bottle.
Even though the bottle was already open in the factory? What's the source?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3518 on: March 05, 2019, 10:37:50 PM »
Even though the bottle was already open in the factory? What's the source?
Yes. My source is R' Reuven, but there is probably a teshuva about it
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3519 on: March 05, 2019, 10:43:54 PM »
Yes. My source is R' Reuven, but there is probably a teshuva about it
really? Wow I wonder why too..if you can find the source would love to know
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