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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 324383 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3510 on: March 05, 2019, 04:13:53 PM »
It’s a chashash De’oraisya, Shabbos, korus. Not sure what more you need.
Actually that’s Yom Kippur. It’s skilla.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3511 on: March 05, 2019, 04:53:14 PM »
Actually that’s Yom Kippur. It’s skilla.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3512 on: March 05, 2019, 04:55:52 PM »
True
I'm still not sure why this is relevant, everyone should ask their LOR and follow what he says regardless of whether he is maikel or machmir.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3513 on: March 05, 2019, 05:08:42 PM »
Just the convo we need, bottles on shabbos.
The very simple psak- AYLOR.

I still see potential problems with this piece,
A. Why are you not still creating the cap?
B. Pushing the spikes aside/widening the ring, allowing the bottle to open should be makeh bepatish, as @moko mentioned.
C. If the problem is with the bottle this doesn't help anything.

Still this seems to have some respectable haskamos.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3514 on: March 05, 2019, 05:08:57 PM »
I'm still not sure why this is relevant, everyone should ask their LOR and follow what he says regardless of whether he is maikel or machmir.
Also true.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3515 on: March 05, 2019, 08:45:48 PM »
Just the convo we need, bottles on shabbos.
The very simple psak- AYLOR.

I still see potential problems with this piece,
A. Why are you not still creating the cap?
B. Pushing the spikes aside/widening the ring, allowing the bottle to open should be makeh bepatish, as @moko mentioned.
C. If the problem is with the bottle this doesn't help anything.

Still this seems to have some respectable haskamos.
A. The creation of the cap would be breaking the cap off the ring-something the company didn’t do. But pulling off the whole thing including the ring together is not creating anything new that the company didn’t create.
B. Why would it be makeh bpatish? Your not completing a kli-your just pulling  off the kli
C. Does anyone hold the problem is with the bottle? The bottle is definitely a complete kli and your not adding to it, if anything your making it less which would be mekalkel.

Basically the company created a kli called ‘cap with perforated ring’ and if you take the ring off the cap you made a new kli (acc. to some poskim)
But removing the whole kli (partly mutilating it btw) avoids the problem of creating something new.
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3516 on: March 05, 2019, 09:06:21 PM »


C. Does anyone hold the problem is with the bottle? The bottle is definitely a complete kli and your not adding to it, if anything your making it less which would be mekalkel.
Yes, R' Moshe holds the issue is making an opening on the bottle.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3517 on: March 05, 2019, 10:26:57 PM »
Yes, R' Moshe holds the issue is making an opening on the bottle.
Even though the bottle was already open in the factory? What's the source?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3518 on: March 05, 2019, 10:37:50 PM »
Even though the bottle was already open in the factory? What's the source?
Yes. My source is R' Reuven, but there is probably a teshuva about it
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3519 on: March 05, 2019, 10:43:54 PM »
Yes. My source is R' Reuven, but there is probably a teshuva about it
really? Wow I wonder why too..if you can find the source would love to know
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3520 on: March 06, 2019, 12:14:41 AM »
I think he's mixing up with cans... Those have this issue.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3521 on: March 06, 2019, 01:02:59 AM »
I think he's mixing up with cans... Those have this issue.
yes that is true bc the company seals the whole top of the can on and you mak  a kli when opening it. Can’t imagine what could be with a bottle
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3522 on: March 06, 2019, 01:31:48 AM »
yes that is true bc the company seals the whole top of the can on and you mak  a kli when opening it. Can’t imagine what could be with a bottle
Also heard that orange juice bottles, those made of paper, have that very same issue. As the new opening wasn't there before.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3523 on: March 06, 2019, 07:45:31 AM »
yes that is true bc the company seals the whole top of the can on and you mak  a kli when opening it. Can’t imagine what could be with a bottle
The can is already a kli. Issue is making a pesach

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3524 on: March 06, 2019, 09:47:20 AM »
You know...instead of spending $20 on this bottle opener, you could just open your bottles before Shabbos.