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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 305182 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3525 on: March 06, 2019, 10:04:01 AM »
I think he's mixing up with cans...
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3526 on: March 06, 2019, 10:10:31 AM »
Yes, R' Moshe holds the issue is making an opening on the bottle.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3527 on: March 06, 2019, 10:12:46 AM »
Not true!
. Learn through the Teshuva..  Its long though
Since you seem to know, why don't you explain it to us?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3528 on: March 06, 2019, 10:20:39 AM »
You know...instead of spending $20 on this bottle opener, you could just open your bottles before Shabbos.
Were talking here about a yids parnassah. Nisht poshut

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3529 on: March 06, 2019, 02:39:14 PM »
If this device is successful it will be its own undoing, since the manufacturers will no longer have a tamper proof bottle and will have to redesign it....
Oh please. Anybody with a little patience (and without 2 left hands?) can do this without the opener. It just makes it easier.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3530 on: March 06, 2019, 02:49:20 PM »
Were talking here about a yids parnassah. Nisht poshut
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3531 on: March 06, 2019, 02:52:41 PM »
It just makes it easier.
im not so sure that it does. seemed to have been a pretty big patchke from the video. pretty annoying way to open a case of sodsa/seltzer. i personally rather spend 2 minutes before shabbos with a knife and lose that tiny amount  of fizz , than spend 1-2 minutes per bottle on shabbos  in middle of the seuda when i really want a drink
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3532 on: March 06, 2019, 03:01:06 PM »
im not so sure that it does. seemed to have been a pretty big patchke from the video. pretty annoying way to open a case of sodsa/seltzer. i personally rather spend 2 minutes before shabbos with a knife and lose that tiny amount  of fizz , than spend 1-2 minutes per bottle on shabbos  in middle of the seuda when i really want a drink

Why spend any time with a knife? Before Shabbos just open it and close it quickly.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3533 on: March 06, 2019, 03:27:11 PM »
Why spend any time with a knife? Before Shabbos just open it and close it quickly.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3534 on: March 06, 2019, 03:27:30 PM »
Why spend any time with a knife? Before Shabbos just open it and close it quickly.

Well what happens if you forget  to open it before Shabbos? :-\

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3535 on: March 06, 2019, 03:38:34 PM »
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According to the above poskim why is the act of opening a soda bottle בפטיש? מכה

When one opens a bottle, the ring detaches from the cap. The poskim believe that act is a מאלכה of מכה בפטיש which means “the finishing act". (ע רש"י שבת עג)

Specific examples of what constitutes a מאלכה of מכה בפטיש (finalizing a product), includes, but is not limited to: opening the neck hole of an article of clothing, fashioning a hook from a wire hanger, or bending a safety pin back into its correct original shape, so that it is ready for use.

This is also true for a bottle cap. When the ring is attached to the bottle cap, it is not a functioning cap, because it cannot be screwed on or off of a bottle. Therefore, cracking the ring from the cap is the finishing act of the bottle cap.

So now can I open them regularly, because even with the ring attached they can be opened (with this device)? [At least according to this understanding of the issur.]
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3536 on: March 06, 2019, 03:44:23 PM »
So now can I open them regularly, because even with the ring attached they can be opened (with this device)? [At least according to this understanding of the issur.]


Similar reasoning is brought in Shmiras Shabbos Kihilchoso from RSZ"A that since the plastic caps can be opened by slipping a knife under the ring to pry it over the bump they can be opened regularly as well. I was unable to replicate getting it off with a knife.

One important point is that the opinions which consider it to be a functioning cap should also hold that one may not puncture the cap.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3537 on: March 06, 2019, 04:01:30 PM »


Similar reasoning is brought in Shmiras Shabbos Kihilchoso from RSZ"A that since the plastic caps can be opened by slipping a knife under the ring to pry it over the bump they can be opened regularly as well. I was unable to replicate getting it off with a knife.

One important point is that the opinions which consider it to be a functioning cap should also hold that one may not puncture the cap.
I heard similar to this from R' Reuven, I asked him about a non carbonated drink where the drink can be squeezed out without breaking the seal and he said its muttar to open the bottle because you already have a pesach (a carbonated drink gets ruined in the process so it's not a good pesach).

I also asked R' Reuven about puncturing a hole in the cap and he said it wouldn't help, when I asked if there is anything that can be done he said get a goy.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3538 on: March 06, 2019, 04:18:17 PM »
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I was unable to replicate getting it off with a knife.
Use a fork, slip one tine under, and run around the bottle clockwise. Works easily on the bottle caps with the little pointy fins.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3539 on: March 06, 2019, 04:18:21 PM »
Well what happens if you forget  to open it before Shabbos? :-\

Three suggestions:

1. Spend the requested $20 on this device so that you can open the bottle
2. Drink beer or wine
3. Puncture the side of a bottle with a screwdriver and pour it out that way