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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 945872 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3540 on: March 06, 2019, 06:32:20 PM »
Three suggestions:

1. Spend the requested $20 on this device so that you can open the bottle
2. Drink beer or wine
3. Puncture the side of a bottle with a screwdriver and pour it out that way
4. Open it on Shabbos.

(Sorry for trolling)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3541 on: March 06, 2019, 06:39:53 PM »
You know...instead of spending $20 on this bottle opener, you could just open your bottles before Shabbos.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3542 on: March 06, 2019, 06:48:52 PM »
(Sorry for trolling)
Trolling? There are Rabonim who hold you can open bottles on Shabbos.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3543 on: March 06, 2019, 07:06:37 PM »
Similar reasoning is brought in Shmiras Shabbos Kihilchoso from RSZ"A that since the plastic caps can be opened by slipping a knife under the ring to pry it over the bump they can be opened regularly as well. I was unable to replicate getting it off with a knife.

One important point is that the opinions which consider it to be a functioning cap should also hold that one may not puncture the cap.
This is a specialized device. That won’t make it Muttar to open without it .
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3544 on: March 06, 2019, 07:41:15 PM »
Trolling? There are Rabonim who hold you can open bottles on Shabbos.
But everyone here knows that, and this is for those who are going with the other opinion

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3545 on: March 06, 2019, 10:16:31 PM »
why did they only make this for soda bottles? what about kedem grape juice?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3546 on: March 06, 2019, 10:24:36 PM »
In BMG they have signs in the lunchroom saying that anybody who isn't a talmid there can't eat breakfast/lunch/supper.

If I see meshulachim eating lunch do I have to tell him that he's not allowed to eat it? Should I assume that they got permission?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3547 on: March 06, 2019, 11:58:34 PM »
I just tried it. Was a lot easier than the video on the website.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3548 on: March 07, 2019, 01:02:27 AM »
In BMG they have signs in the lunchroom saying that anybody who isn't a talmid there can't eat breakfast/lunch/supper.

If I see meshulachim eating lunch do I have to tell him that he's not allowed to eat it? Should I assume that they got permission?

You can also ask someone from hanhalah if they give some meshilachim permission to eat and then explain the situation. One has to be very careful not to embarrass a meshulach who is already shamed that he has to collect money from others.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3549 on: March 07, 2019, 02:22:06 AM »
You can also ask someone from hanhalah if they give some meshilachim permission to eat and then explain the situation.
So they'll let but still have signs that they don't?


One has to be very careful not to embarrass a meshulach who is already shamed that he has to collect money from others.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3550 on: March 07, 2019, 09:21:07 PM »
I just tried it. Was a lot easier than the video on the website.
but its only made for soda bottles? meh

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3551 on: March 07, 2019, 11:56:33 PM »
So they'll let but still have signs that they don't?

The sign is the rule, but there are plenty of exceptions. They dont want just any “collector” shnuring off the yeshiva but Im sure they give some of them permission to eat there sometimes.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3552 on: March 08, 2019, 12:25:23 AM »
In BMG they have signs in the lunchroom saying that anybody who isn't a talmid there can't eat breakfast/lunch/supper.

If I see meshulachim eating lunch do I have to tell him that he's not allowed to eat it? Should I assume that they got permission?
I dont see why you have to get involved

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3553 on: March 08, 2019, 12:33:00 AM »
I dont see why you have to get involved
Why not? There's no obligation to stop someone from doing something wrong?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3554 on: March 08, 2019, 12:40:57 AM »
I dont see why you have to get involved
Why not? There's no obligation to stop someone from doing something wrong?
here we have 2 classic different perspectives on life. There are the dont get involved guys and there’s the get  involved guys.

It’s like the Gemara that says the world can’t survive without men and the world can’t survive without women, but Ashrecha to the one who has baby boys and oy lo to the one who has girls...(each side would consider the other side the unfortunate/wrong  perspective but we need both to survive)
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3555 on: March 08, 2019, 02:18:10 AM »
Why not? There's no obligation to stop someone from doing something wrong?
Is that why you'd tell him not to eat? Because you're worried about his neshama?
What about the embarrasment you'd cause him? What about his hungry belly?


Are you concerned about the loss to the yeshiva? If food was being wasted and  you could help save some money, I'd be with you.  But the downside to the meshulach is too great for just anyone to tell him off.


If the yeshiva wants to enforce this policy, they should have a hanholo member take care of it.  This is one time to turn away because it's not your business.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3556 on: March 08, 2019, 02:45:00 AM »
Is that why you'd tell him not to eat? Because you're worried about his neshama?
What about the embarrasment you'd cause him? What about his hungry belly?


Are you concerned about the loss to the yeshiva? If food was being wasted and  you could help save some money, I'd be with you.  But the downside to the meshulach is too great for just anyone to tell him off.


If the yeshiva wants to enforce this policy, they should have a hanholo member take care of it.  This is one time to turn away because it's not your business.
I get what you're saying. But still

#1 I'm not worried about his neshamo I'm worried about mine.
#2 like I said before obviously you can't say anything in an embarrassing way (trust me the person telling him is more embarrassed). If he gets embarrassed there's nothing you can do about it. You did you're best.
#3 being hungry doesn't give him permission.
#4 even if the yeshiva was being supported by a billionaire it still doesn't make it right.

The last reason is the one I like best. If they were really makpid on it they would have hanhola enforcing it. But then again I don't know if I can rely on that.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3557 on: March 08, 2019, 07:05:33 AM »
I get what you're saying. But still

#1 I'm not worried about his neshamo I'm worried about mine.
#2 like I said before obviously you can't say anything in an embarrassing way (trust me the person telling him is more embarrassed). If he gets embarrassed there's nothing you can do about it. You did you're best.
#3 being hungry doesn't give him permission.
#4 even if the yeshiva was being supported by a billionaire it still doesn't make it right.

The last reason is the one I like best. If they were really makpid on it they would have hanhola enforcing it. But then again I don't know if I can rely on that.
Are you joking? If they don't enforce it,then you shouldn't either. Don't be a self appointed police man.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3558 on: March 08, 2019, 03:53:31 PM »
Am I allowed to have hamotzi now ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3559 on: March 08, 2019, 05:06:51 PM »
Am I allowed to have hamotzi now ?
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