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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 325402 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3600 on: April 30, 2019, 09:59:39 AM »
Why do you think that Amazon would be less likely to use a distributor than stop and shop, Walmart, target, or Costco?
I don't think wal-mart and Costco use a distributor.
Walmart definitely does for some items. I didn't think Costco does, though
I've done a lot of research on the food supply business as it relates to chametz. Everyone buys from distributors. They also buy from food brokers, and Costco also buys from closeout brokers. It's unusual for anyone to buy from manufacturers directly. There is absolutely no way to know who owned a specific item on pesach, there is just more of a chashash right after pesach in a store owned by a Jew. (and that persists to some degree year round, X days is very arbitrary, based on what we know of how stores rotate stock etc.)
But very difficult to assume that any specific box of macaroni was owned by C&S on pesach. (and C&S is not owned by a Jew for Pesach).
However I understood OP's question to be referring to FBA items where it's stored by Amazon and shipped by them but not necessarily sold by them. Looking back, I misread. Shipped and sold by Amazon is the same as any public company, see zecher Yitzchak 8.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3601 on: April 30, 2019, 10:15:10 AM »
I've done a lot of research on the food supply business as it relates to chametz.

Which is why I was confused by this
Who, amazon? 
but that is now clarified
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3602 on: April 30, 2019, 10:17:57 AM »
Do chain stores buy their private label items thru a distributor too?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3603 on: April 30, 2019, 10:28:02 AM »
Do chain stores buy their private label items thru a distributor too?
Various brokers are involved from what I understand, and they may or may not own the food. C&S had their own private label. So does krasdale, which is a Jewish owned company that does not sell their chametz.
By the way, A small time food broker who buys and sells to both distributors and retailers was in my house on Yom tov. At any given time he owns 100 truckloads of various foods. He's careful to not own chametz, but many of his Israeli colleagues are not. These are not even an official part of the food chain, just operate in the shadows.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3604 on: April 30, 2019, 11:53:26 AM »



But very difficult to assume that any specific box of macaroni was owned by C&S on pesach. (and C&S is not owned by a Jew for Pesach).

Is everyone someich on their mechira?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3605 on: April 30, 2019, 12:10:28 PM »
Is everyone someich on their mechira?
That would be no fun. But it's much better than the standard 'sell your chametz and stay open' mechira.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3606 on: April 30, 2019, 02:06:23 PM »
Looking back, I misread. Shipped and sold by Amazon is the same as any public company, see zecher Yitzchak 8.
Ha I googled zecher yitzchak 8 and found your blog from 2016 on this issue.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3607 on: April 30, 2019, 04:46:34 PM »
Ha I googled zecher yitzchak 8 and found your blog from 2016 on this issue.
I think goes a number of years earlier than that as well.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3608 on: April 30, 2019, 05:15:05 PM »
Ha I googled zecher yitzchak 8 and found your blog from 2016 on this issue.
I think goes a number of years earlier than that as well.
I feel stalked :) . I burnt out on it, it's a lot of work and people do what they want to do anyway. But it was reviewed by the biggest kashrus industry experts and they were ok with it back then

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3609 on: May 01, 2019, 02:19:46 AM »
Ha I googled zecher yitzchak 8 and found your blog from 2016 on this issue.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1806&pgnum=29

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3610 on: May 01, 2019, 08:53:32 AM »
I've done a lot of research on the food supply business as it relates to chametz. Everyone buys from distributors. They also buy from food brokers, and Costco also buys from closeout brokers. It's unusual for anyone to buy from manufacturers directly. There is absolutely no way to know who owned a specific item on pesach, there is just more of a chashash right after pesach in a store owned by a Jew. (and that persists to some degree year round, X days is very arbitrary, based on what we know of how stores rotate stock etc.)
But very difficult to assume that any specific box of macaroni was owned by C&S on pesach. (and C&S is not owned by a Jew for Pesach).
However I understood OP's question to be referring to FBA items where it's stored by Amazon and shipped by them but not necessarily sold by them. Looking back, I misread. Shipped and sold by Amazon is the same as any public company, see zecher Yitzchak 8.
couldn't have said it better myself. O will also add/clarify, that there can be multiple distributers for the same exact item in the same supermarket. This has been confirmed by Ahold- Delhaize

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3611 on: May 01, 2019, 06:21:08 PM »
couldn't have said it better myself. O will also add/clarify, that there can be multiple distributers for the same exact item in the same supermarket. This has been confirmed by Ahold- Delhaize
Why would a distributor have his hands on a Stop and Shop brand of cereal?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3612 on: May 01, 2019, 08:36:54 PM »
Why would a distributor have his hands on a Stop and Shop brand of cereal?
store brands can actually come via a distributer. Often a large distributer may have a great connection with a manufacturer and the supermarket company doesn't want to be busy with finding a quality manufacturer . I know this to be true in several cases

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3613 on: May 02, 2019, 01:05:58 AM »
I accidentally forgot to cancel my ss orders, so i had a few bags of yum earth organic lollies come to a neighbors home while i was away for yom tov.
 Does that make my lollies assur to consume as its chometz sheavar alov peaach..?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3614 on: May 02, 2019, 07:18:11 AM »
I accidentally forgot to cancel my ss orders, so i had a few bags of yum earth organic lollies come to a neighbors home while i was away for yom tov.
 Does that make my lollies assur to consume as its chometz sheavar alov peaach..?
Are there Chametz in the lollipop?