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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 437660 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3795 on: August 12, 2019, 09:50:45 AM »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3797 on: August 12, 2019, 10:21:43 AM »
Source?
Why not? It's the beginning of the day.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3798 on: August 12, 2019, 10:22:08 AM »
It’s משום אבלות של יום. Alos  is the next day for all purposes except when we are often gozer that a mitzvah should be performed after neitz so that one does not mitakenly perform the mitzvah before alos. That is not  applicable here.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3799 on: August 12, 2019, 10:22:27 AM »
Why not? It's the beginning of the day.
Haneitz is generally considered the beginning of the day

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3800 on: August 12, 2019, 10:31:02 AM »
Haneitz is generally considered the beginning of the day
That's just not true. It's just that a person can make a mistake regarding when Alos is. Day definitely starts from Alos. You can say shma, daven, put on tfillin and tzitzis, all before Neitz.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3801 on: August 12, 2019, 10:36:15 AM »
Haneitz is generally considered the beginning of the day

The Neitz is never considered the beginning of the day.
All mitzvos that are required to be done by day, one is yotzei if done after the alos.
Most are required lchatchilah to wait for the neitz to assure it is actually after the alos...

If neitz was considered the beginning of the day it would mean you are yotzei shachris megillah and daled minim if done by night.....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3802 on: August 12, 2019, 10:50:51 AM »
Wow. Amazing how much we are medakdek in hilchos aveilus. Halevai we should be half as careful (i.e. err on the side of more) with אהבת חינם, so that all aveilus should be a vague distant memory!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3803 on: August 12, 2019, 10:54:44 AM »
Wow. Amazing how much we are medakdek in hilcos aveilus. Halevai we should be half as careful (i.e. err on the side of more) with אהבת חינם, so that all aveilus should be a vague distant memory!
Halevai we should be medakdek in all mitzvos as much as possible....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3804 on: August 12, 2019, 11:11:00 AM »
Wow. Amazing how much we are medakdek in hilchos aveilus. Halevai we should be half as careful (i.e. err on the side of more) with אהבת חינם, so that all aveilus should be a vague distant memory!
כל המתאבל על ירושלים...
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3805 on: August 12, 2019, 11:22:35 AM »
It’s משום אבלות של יום. Alos  is the next day for all purposes except when we are often gozer that a mitzvah should be performed after neitz so that one does not mitakenly perform the mitzvah before alos. That is not  applicable here.
If it's mishum aveilus hayom, wouldn't it be fine to eat meat once the person wakes up for the day? Really it was the prior day (10 av) that has aveilus. From tzeis it's already 11 av, when really no restrictions apply, but because of the day (ie secular day) we defer eating meat until "the morning". It doesn't seem logical that this should be based on a Halachic time, but rather what a person would consider the next day.

I've never seen a source that alos is relevant to this specific Halacha. Is there one?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3806 on: August 12, 2019, 11:38:05 AM »
כל המתאבל על ירושלים...

Absolutely, yet there's seemingly the difference between being passive (כל המתאבל על ירושלים זוכה ורואה...) vs being active in countering the reason for the destruction (אבל מקדש שני שהיו עוסקין בתורה ובמצות וגמילות חסדים מפני מה חרב מפני שהיתה בו שנאת חנם)
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3807 on: August 12, 2019, 12:32:06 PM »
Absolutely, yet there's seemingly the difference between being passive (כל המתאבל על ירושלים זוכה ורואה...) vs being active in countering the reason for the destruction (אבל מקדש שני שהיו עוסקין בתורה ובמצות וגמילות חסדים מפני מה חרב מפני שהיתה בו שנאת חנם)
Here’s a good way of being proactive. Probably the best

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3808 on: August 12, 2019, 01:23:02 PM »
Here’s a good way of being proactive. Probably the best

Excellent. It's an example. Many other ways it can manifest itself. The point is to be דן לכף זכות, or better yet not to be דן whatsoever, but to show love and kindness to every Jew. Ignore all visible aspects, just see that every Yid is like a בן יחיד of the רבונו של עולם!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3809 on: August 12, 2019, 01:30:01 PM »
Excellent. It's an example. Many other ways it can manifest itself. The point is to be דן לכף זכות, or better yet not to be דן whatsoever, but to show love and kindness to every Jew. Ignore all visible aspects, just see that every Yid is like a בן יחיד of the רבונו של עולם!
And just like that you destroyed my only connection to chabad