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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 392954 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3870 on: September 25, 2019, 02:34:30 PM »
I spoke to a Rov. He said you must pay back the store Ma shenehene that is the amount you would've been willing to pay if that was all they offered (at a discount). In other words, if the store said they only had fried rice and they would give it to you for $16, you would take the deal, thats how much you have to pay. If you would only take the "deal" if it was for less that is considered your "benefit" from the restaurant
I dont see why this should be true. The guy agreed to sell on grubhub and he agreed to follow their decisions, if they say that I am entitled to a refund then I should get the refund.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3871 on: September 25, 2019, 02:40:40 PM »
I dont see why this should be true. The guy agreed to sell on grubhub and he agreed to follow their decisions, if they say that I am entitled to a refund then I should get the refund.
That doesn't absolve you from following dini torah, which say that if you benefited from another Jew's food you must pay the amount that you benefited to him.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3872 on: September 25, 2019, 02:43:46 PM »
That doesn't absolve you from following dini torah, which say that if you benefited from another Jew's food you must pay the amount that you benefited to him.
no problem so let him come pick it up. I ordered delivery because I don’t want to leave my house. Now he messes up on the order and I am obligated to go to him and give him money?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3873 on: September 25, 2019, 02:53:01 PM »
I spoke to a Rov. He said you must pay back the store Ma shenehene that is the amount you would've been willing to pay if that was all they offered (at a discount). In other words, if the store said they only had fried rice and they would give it to you for $16, you would take the deal, thats how much you have to pay. If you would only take the "deal" if it was for less that is considered your "benefit" from the restaurant
That would only be if you eat it. You aren't required to accept an incorrect order

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3874 on: September 25, 2019, 02:54:14 PM »
no problem so let him come pick it up. I ordered delivery because I don’t want to leave my house. Now he messes up on the order and I am obligated to go to him and give him money?
if you call him it shouldn't be difficult for him to charge your cc the correct amount.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3875 on: September 25, 2019, 02:57:57 PM »
That would only be if you eat it. You aren't required to accept an incorrect order
  absolutely. however the case was that he ate it.  "A good review I did do as the food was very good"
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3876 on: September 25, 2019, 03:08:21 PM »
  absolutely. however the case was that he ate it.  "A good review I did do as the food was very good"
-1/2

Except for the rice which I wouldn't write a bad review for, as I never ordered it.
  it's almost like a meal that you hate and taste it and say nasty and you leave a review about that food that it was nasty, why order to begin with.
  In other words I'm buying food to leave a bad review.
Hence my reason for not leaving a reveiw about the rice!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3877 on: September 25, 2019, 03:18:10 PM »
That would only be if you eat it. You aren't required to accept an incorrect order
so how about when I ordered a dessert on Uber eats and got a burger. Uber eats asked me if I want to wait for the new dessert and I didn’t want to wait another hour so I said no. They gave me the refund. I left the burger in the fridge and ate it the next day. You’re telling me I have to pay them for it even though I didn’t order that. (This time the mistake was by the delivery guy who probably gave me someone else’s order)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3878 on: September 25, 2019, 03:31:10 PM »
-1/2

Except for the rice which I wouldn't write a bad review for, as I never ordered it.
  it's almost like a meal that you hate and taste it and say nasty and you leave a review about that food that it was nasty, why order to begin with.
  In other words I'm buying food to leave a bad review.
Hence my reason for not leaving a reveiw about the rice!
Okay, so how much of the $18 is attributable to the rice?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3879 on: September 25, 2019, 03:48:47 PM »
Okay, so how much of the $18 is attributable to the rice?
It's like ordering a burger and they mistakenly forget to put the inside , meaning the lettuce and tomato, dressing and all. So yes you got the Berger but boy was it nasty eating it plain, same over here I enjoy ordering chicken and a side and use the side together with the main, like ketchup and french fries is ainoy domeh to fries and ketchup with fries and w/o ketchup.

 So kind of hard to make up a price.

 But I'm asking this question, primarily because I felt a bit guilty eating a meal and getting a refund for it.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3880 on: September 25, 2019, 04:07:11 PM »
It's like ordering a burger and they mistakenly forget to put the inside , meaning the lettuce and tomato, dressing and all. So yes you got the Berger but boy was it nasty eating it plain, same over here I enjoy ordering chicken and a side and use the side together with the main, like ketchup and french fries is ainoy domeh to fries and ketchup with fries and w/o ketchup.

 So kind of hard to make up a price.

 But I'm asking this question, primarily because I felt a bit guilty eating a meal and getting a refund for it.
The fact is that you ate the chicken. If they have a price for buying a container of rice that size then the remainder is attributable to the chicken which you did eat and should have all of the ramifications of having eaten it.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3881 on: September 25, 2019, 04:21:49 PM »
The fact is that you ate the chicken. If they have a price for buying a container of rice that size then the remainder is attributable to the chicken which you did eat and should have all of the ramifications of having eaten it.
Agree no less, will see what they be price a bucket of rice for.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3882 on: September 25, 2019, 04:49:14 PM »
Agree no less, will see what they be price a bucket of rice for.

Learn C”M siman רל״ג especially the Rama there and the achronim. Not always are you entitled to return a product substitution if it is essentially a similar מין.

Here is a shiur on the subject especially from the 45 minute mark and on.
https://torahdownloads.com/player.html?ShiurID=1010533

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3883 on: September 25, 2019, 05:05:28 PM »
Learn C”M siman רל״ג especially the Rama there and the achronim. Not always are you entitled to return a product substitution if it is essentially a similar מין.

Here is a shiur on the subject especially from the 45 minute mark and on.
https://torahdownloads.com/player.html?ShiurID=1010533
Why is white rice and fried rice a similar מין?
I would understand if you ordered short grain white rice and they gave you long grain but this is a different dish entirely.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3884 on: September 25, 2019, 05:13:04 PM »
Why is white rice and fried rice a similar מין?
I would understand if you ordered short grain white rice and they gave you long grain but this is a different dish entirely.

 It’s possible. It may depend on what the average person would accept  begrudgingly.