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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 569637 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4100 on: January 16, 2020, 01:49:49 AM »
Not a problem for the aveilim ?
No, since this music actually makes a person very sad and does not bring him an iota of joy/happiness.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4101 on: January 16, 2020, 12:02:34 PM »
No, since this music actually makes a person very sad and does not bring him an iota of joy/happiness.
1) Aveilim are allowed to listen to sad music ?
2) If this used to be done whyd they stop ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4102 on: January 16, 2020, 12:38:32 PM »
1) Aveilim are allowed to listen to sad music ?
2) If this used to be done whyd they stop ?
He has a whole discussion about it. Eyin shum. Dont remember the exact mm. Will try to look it up...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4103 on: January 16, 2020, 06:22:57 PM »
Not directly a halachah question.

I remember hearing a nice speech about jealousy/being happy with your lot/idea of "bashert".

The speaker discussed (I'm pretty sure they quoted a source) the concept that if you are jealous of something you need to understand that it's not "bashert" for you and even if you were only human being on the world, it still wouldn't be yours.

Does anyone know the source of this?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4104 on: January 16, 2020, 06:41:18 PM »
Not directly a halachah question.

I remember hearing a nice speech about jealousy/being happy with your lot/idea of "bashert".

The speaker discussed (I'm pretty sure they quoted a source) the concept that if you are jealous of something you need to understand that it's not "bashert" for you and even if you were only human being on the world, it still wouldn't be yours.

Does anyone know the source of this?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4105 on: January 17, 2020, 01:48:30 AM »
Seems like at worst a classic case of nat bar nat and therefore would be allowed bidieved.
Actually, to go ahead and mix the potatoes into the cheese salad would be considered l'catchilah, not b'dieved, and would therefore not be allowed according to your reasoning. However, in this case it would ultimately be allowed because the oven was not a ben yomo.
(I'll also assume that the potato was baked in an aluminum foil or such, and not in a fleishige pan, as that would change the question)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4106 on: January 17, 2020, 07:05:27 AM »
Actually, to go ahead and mix the potatoes into the cheese salad would be considered l'catchilah, not b'dieved, and would therefore not be allowed according to your reasoning. However, in this case it would ultimately be allowed because the oven was not a ben yomo.
(I'll also assume that the potato was baked in an aluminum foil or such, and not in a fleishige pan, as that would change the question)
If youade the potatoes intending them to be pareve and later on you want to know if you can add cheese to them, most poskim allow that with nat bar nat.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4107 on: January 17, 2020, 10:33:35 AM »
Actually, to go ahead and mix the potatoes into the cheese salad would be considered l'catchilah, not b'dieved, and would therefore not be allowed according to your reasoning.
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If youade the potatoes intending them to be pareve and later on you want to know if you can add cheese to them, most poskim allow that with nat bar nat.
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And with it being eino ben yomo you can even make it with the intent of mixing it with milk.

This is besides that an oven is its own leniency.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4108 on: January 17, 2020, 10:38:31 AM »
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And with it being eino ben yomo you can even make it with the intent of mixing it with milk.

This is besides that an oven is its own leniency.
I can say as a lay person living in an apartment with 1 sink, 1 oven etc. learning the halachos of nat bar nat was the most helpful thing.

There's another kulah brought down that if you only have 1 kli that can make the food, technically you can rely on nat bar nat lechatchila even if it's Ben yomo. In practice the guidance is still to try to be machmir but this does have the ability to help sometimes.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4109 on: January 17, 2020, 10:40:23 AM »
I don't want to say his name publicly, but I asked one of the head Rabbis at OU kosher if one could use a Ben yomo meat deep fryer to fry oreos (OU DE but marked D) and he said yes lechatchila.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4110 on: January 17, 2020, 10:46:21 AM »
I don't want to say his name publicly, but I asked one of the head Rabbis at OU kosher if one could use a Ben yomo meat deep fryer to fry oreos (OU DE but marked D) and he said yes lechatchila.
Are you sure it's even DE? When I asked R' Belsky about oreos (around 10 years ago) he told me they are 100% parve.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4111 on: January 17, 2020, 10:51:48 AM »
Are you sure it's even DE? When I asked R' Belsky about oreos (around 10 years ago) he told me they are 100% parve.
The OU maintains they are DE and also continues to mark them D even though they have rolled out DE to a limited number of products.

I wouldn't infer anything re my deep fryer comment on any other DE product.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4112 on: January 17, 2020, 10:52:44 AM »
https://oukosher.org/faqs/what-is-the-status-of-oreo-sandwich-cookies-do-they-contain-actual-dairy-ingredients-2/

At the present time the following Oreo Sandwich Cookies do not contain dairy ingredients, although they are manufactured on dairy equipment...

From a week ago.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4113 on: January 17, 2020, 11:35:26 AM »
I don't want to say his name publicly, but I asked one of the head Rabbis at OU kosher if one could use a Ben yomo meat deep fryer to fry oreos (OU DE but marked D) and he said yes lechatchila.
In the OU madrich Hakashrus (from a while ago) they bring from R Elyashiv that DE of cholov stam for those who are machmir is a nat bar nat disura.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4114 on: January 18, 2020, 08:47:07 PM »
If youade the potatoes intending them to be pareve and later on you want to know if you can add cheese to them, most poskim allow that with nat bar nat.
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See Rema in Y"D 95:2 with Shach s"k 3, and you'll see that Nat Bar Nat through cooking or baking is more chamur, and is only allowed l'catchilah if not a ben yomo

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4115 on: January 18, 2020, 08:48:54 PM »
And with it being eino ben yomo you can even make it with the intent of mixing it with milk.
That's debatable. What's your source?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4116 on: January 18, 2020, 08:51:27 PM »
There's another kulah brought down that if you only have 1 kli that can make the food, technically you can rely on nat bar nat lechatchila even if it's Ben yomo. In practice the guidance is still to try to be machmir but this does have the ability to help sometimes.
Source?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4117 on: January 18, 2020, 08:54:05 PM »
That's debatable. What's your source?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4118 on: January 18, 2020, 10:16:43 PM »
RMA YD 95:2 and GRA 10
A Posek that I know spoke to Rav Moshe Feinstein about it and he also pakened like the GRA's understanding of the RaMA [Others (IIRC the Aruch Hashulchan) learn the RaMA differently that he's only talking about the mixing lechatchila not the original intent of the cooking]
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4119 on: January 18, 2020, 11:01:28 PM »
A Posek that I know spoke to Rav Moshe Feinstein about it and he also pakened like the GRA's understanding of the RaMA [Others (IIRC the Aruch Hashulchan) learn the RaMA differently that he's only talking about the mixing lechatchila not the original intent of the cooking]
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