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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 353919 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4110 on: January 17, 2020, 10:46:21 AM »
I don't want to say his name publicly, but I asked one of the head Rabbis at OU kosher if one could use a Ben yomo meat deep fryer to fry oreos (OU DE but marked D) and he said yes lechatchila.
Are you sure it's even DE? When I asked R' Belsky about oreos (around 10 years ago) he told me they are 100% parve.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4111 on: January 17, 2020, 10:51:48 AM »
Are you sure it's even DE? When I asked R' Belsky about oreos (around 10 years ago) he told me they are 100% parve.
The OU maintains they are DE and also continues to mark them D even though they have rolled out DE to a limited number of products.

I wouldn't infer anything re my deep fryer comment on any other DE product.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4112 on: January 17, 2020, 10:52:44 AM »
https://oukosher.org/faqs/what-is-the-status-of-oreo-sandwich-cookies-do-they-contain-actual-dairy-ingredients-2/

At the present time the following Oreo Sandwich Cookies do not contain dairy ingredients, although they are manufactured on dairy equipment...

From a week ago.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4113 on: January 17, 2020, 11:35:26 AM »
I don't want to say his name publicly, but I asked one of the head Rabbis at OU kosher if one could use a Ben yomo meat deep fryer to fry oreos (OU DE but marked D) and he said yes lechatchila.
In the OU madrich Hakashrus (from a while ago) they bring from R Elyashiv that DE of cholov stam for those who are machmir is a nat bar nat disura.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4114 on: January 18, 2020, 08:47:07 PM »
If youade the potatoes intending them to be pareve and later on you want to know if you can add cheese to them, most poskim allow that with nat bar nat.
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See Rema in Y"D 95:2 with Shach s"k 3, and you'll see that Nat Bar Nat through cooking or baking is more chamur, and is only allowed l'catchilah if not a ben yomo

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4115 on: January 18, 2020, 08:48:54 PM »
And with it being eino ben yomo you can even make it with the intent of mixing it with milk.
That's debatable. What's your source?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4116 on: January 18, 2020, 08:51:27 PM »
There's another kulah brought down that if you only have 1 kli that can make the food, technically you can rely on nat bar nat lechatchila even if it's Ben yomo. In practice the guidance is still to try to be machmir but this does have the ability to help sometimes.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4117 on: January 18, 2020, 08:54:05 PM »
That's debatable. What's your source?
RMA YD 95:2 and GRA 10
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4118 on: January 18, 2020, 10:16:43 PM »
RMA YD 95:2 and GRA 10
A Posek that I know spoke to Rav Moshe Feinstein about it and he also pakened like the GRA's understanding of the RaMA [Others (IIRC the Aruch Hashulchan) learn the RaMA differently that he's only talking about the mixing lechatchila not the original intent of the cooking]

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4119 on: January 18, 2020, 11:01:28 PM »
A Posek that I know spoke to Rav Moshe Feinstein about it and he also pakened like the GRA's understanding of the RaMA [Others (IIRC the Aruch Hashulchan) learn the RaMA differently that he's only talking about the mixing lechatchila not the original intent of the cooking]
Chochmas Odom. Over here there numerous other tzdadei kula to include.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4120 on: January 19, 2020, 02:23:28 PM »
Chochmas Odom. Over here there numerous other tzdadei kula to include.
oops! you're right! I always mix them up!

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4121 on: January 19, 2020, 08:03:11 PM »
There's another kulah brought down that if you only have 1 kli that can make the food, technically you can rely on nat bar nat lechatchila even if it's Ben yomo. In practice the guidance is still to try to be machmir but this does have the ability to help sometimes.
This idea is mentioned in Chochmas Odom, but he's only matir when not a ben yomo. I doubt anyone would be matir a ben yomo

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4122 on: January 19, 2020, 08:07:11 PM »
This idea is mentioned in Chochmas Odom, but he's only matir when not a ben yomo. I doubt anyone would be matir a ben yomo
Sephardim. But I get that.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4123 on: January 19, 2020, 08:12:19 PM »
RMA YD 95:2 and GRA 10
Agreed. Though I would still call that debatable, as the Chochmas Odom argues, like you mentioned later. (There are also those who want to say that the Gr"a didn't mean that, see Megilas Sefer.) Also I don't think the poskim would pasken like the Gr"a against the Chochmas Odom, see Badei Hashulchan. The Minchas Yitzchok (10, 77) also was machmir. The R' Moshe that @yungermanchik mentions isn't mentioned in his tshuvos...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4124 on: January 20, 2020, 09:12:24 AM »
Agreed. The R' Moshe that @yungermanchik mentions isn't mentioned in his tshuvos...
True, it's Mpi hashmuah. However, reliable poskim who were talmidim of his, say that he did say it.