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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 452024 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4155 on: February 10, 2020, 05:42:22 PM »
I once posted on DDF that I had 1 plastic measuring cup that I used to measure food for parve, flaishig and milchig measuring.  I noted that I made sure it was clean and never used hot milchig or flaishigs.
People here had a cow (which is both flaishig and milchig).
Using actual cold milchigs and fleishigs in the same kli on a consistent basis is asking for problems. Aside from the practical problems of others (or visitors) in the house using the measuring cup for hot (many recipes call for adding hot water etc.) there are potential kavush problems as well as the measuring cup being washed with other Keillim,  sponges etc that can cause it to lose its Parve status so really not such a great idea.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4156 on: February 10, 2020, 06:53:28 PM »
Using actual cold milchigs and fleishigs in the same kli on a consistent basis is asking for problems. Aside from the practical problems of others (or visitors) in the house using the measuring cup for hot (many recipes call for adding hot water etc.) there are potential kavush problems as well as the measuring cup being washed with other Keillim,  sponges etc that can cause it to lose its Parve status so really not such a great idea.
1. Hot water is pareve
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while
3. People wash pareve dishes all the time. If it's cold milk, any taam that comes off a sponge is pogem (soap imbedded there).

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4157 on: February 10, 2020, 07:02:32 PM »
1. Hot water is pareve
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while
3. People wash pareve dishes all the time. If it's cold milk, any taam that comes off a sponge is pogem (soap imbedded there).

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe.
1. Hot water is pareve- until you measure dairy cream and use afterwards for hot water without washing out.
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while- remains can stay for a while when placed in the sink or dishwasher.

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe- but 2 sets for sure, same dishes were never used for milchig and fleishig.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4158 on: February 10, 2020, 07:19:58 PM »
People assume that all kitchens work like theirs:
1) Some people always rinse their utensils as soon as they're done using it.
2)Others sometimes allow them to wait near the sink until they get around to it
Type 1 people will never have this problem as @shaulyaakov points out
1. Hot water is pareve
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while
3. People wash pareve dishes all the time. If it's cold milk, any taam that comes off a sponge is pogem (soap imbedded there).

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe.

However type 2 people may get into issues as it may sit for over 24 hrs. if thing get hectic and dried milk may end up being cooked in with irui kli rishon etc. as @Yard sale asserts
Using actual cold milchigs and fleishigs in the same kli on a consistent basis is asking for problems. Aside from the practical problems of others (or visitors) in the house using the measuring cup for hot (many recipes call for adding hot water etc.) there are potential kavush problems as well as the measuring cup being washed with other Keillim,  sponges etc that can cause it to lose its Parve status so really not such a great idea.
1. Hot water is pareve- until you measure dairy cream and use afterwards for hot water without washing out.
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while- remains can stay for a while when placed in the sink or dishwasher.

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe- but 2 sets for sure, same dishes were never used for milchig and fleishig.
exactly!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4159 on: February 10, 2020, 07:33:32 PM »
1. Hot water is pareve- until you measure dairy cream and use afterwards for hot water without washing out.
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while- remains can stay for a while when placed in the sink or dishwasher.

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe- but 2 sets for sure, same dishes were never used for milchig and fleishig.
Re hot water - kli shnei. Besides, that's quite a lto of water to heat cream past yad soledes bo.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4160 on: February 10, 2020, 07:47:20 PM »
Re hot water - kli shnei. Besides, that's quite a lto of water to heat cream past yad soledes bo.
Not necessarily. If it’s actively being heated by the boiler it may be kli rishon lo nifsak hakiluach.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4161 on: February 10, 2020, 07:47:37 PM »
Re hot water - kli shnei. Besides, that's quite a lto of water to heat cream past yad soledes bo.
Irui kli rishon, just a little remaining cream to heat up.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4162 on: February 10, 2020, 07:50:30 PM »
1. Hot water is pareve
2. Kavush only applies to leaving things for a while
3. People wash pareve dishes all the time. If it's cold milk, any taam that comes off a sponge is pogem (soap imbedded there).

So quickly we forget that they didn't have 3 sets of dishes in Europe.
Have you never had to run out suddenly and leave stuff unwashed in the sink? Never? Remember once it is a milchig or fleishig kli we do not use it for lach tzonein of the other type.
What makes you so sure that biein particles imbedded in a sponge are nifgam by the soap?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4163 on: February 12, 2020, 11:30:17 AM »
Since we've been discussing kashrus the past few days.. here's an interesting one from the OU


Q. I bought a box of cornflake crumbs that were labeled OU-D. The OU’s Webbe Rebbe (Kosherq@OU.org) told me that this OU-D product does not contain dairy ingredients, but it was made on dairy equipment (DE). I am aware that DE products should not be eaten with meat. By accident, I baked my chicken with the cornflake crumbs. Can I eat the chicken or must it be discarded?

A. If we knew that the cornflake crumbs were made on dairy equipment after a 24 hour downtime, there would be no concern. However, we are unable to make that determination, and commonly there is no downtime between dairy and pareve productions.

There are three different opinions among poskim as to the status of these crumbs and the chicken.

Sefardim follow the ruling of Shulchan Aruch (YD 95:1-2) that these crumbs are fully pareve and may be cooked together with meat. Although Shulchan Aruch agrees that lechatchila one may not bake a pareve item in a dairy oven with the intention of serving it with meat, bidieved, if baked without intention, the item is pareve.
Rama writes that these crumbs may not be served together with meat lichatchila, but bidi’eved (after the fact) if they were accidentally cooked with meat, the food would be permitted. In addition, there is no need to wait six hours after meat before eating a DE item. Once the meat is removed from the table, this item may be served.
The Shach follows the ruling of the Maharshal that nat bar nat through tzli or afiah (roasting or baking) is treated more stringently than nat bar nat of bishul. According to the Shach, if these crumbs were baked with meat, the meat would be forbidden.
There is a difference of opinion among poskim as to whether the Ashkenazim follow the ruling of the Rama or the Shach. However, in this case of the chicken baked with cornflake crumbs there is an additional reason to be lenient. It is possible that the cornflakes were made in the factory more than 24 hours after the dairy products, in which case the crumbs would not be affected by the dairy flavor in the oven. Because of this additional uncertainty, if the cornflakes were already baked with chicken, the food may be eaten.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4165 on: February 18, 2020, 12:09:44 AM »
https://collive.com/groundbreaking-letter-by-rav-feinstein-restricts-cholov-stam/
He writes similar in Igros Moshe too. Still people choose the cholov stam yogurt off the aisle instead of choosing the CY ones right next to it, all to save a few cents. There should really be more awareness of his stance in this situation.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4166 on: February 18, 2020, 12:11:03 AM »
https://collive.com/groundbreaking-letter-by-rav-feinstein-restricts-cholov-stam/

Groundbreaking Letter by Rav Feinstein Restricts Cholov Stam
An unknown handwritten letter by the great halachic posek, Rav Moshe Feinstein OBM clarifies called his permission to eat Cholov Stam, calling it a "leniency" that should not be relied upon by those who are living "where real Cholov Yisroel is available."
Thousands of frum Jews have been relying on the famous heter by Rav Moshe Feinstein, the great halachic posek of the past generation, that permits to consume dairy products that are cholov stam (milk not supervised by a Jew).

In his responsa Igros Moshe (Yoreh Deah 1:47), Rav Feinstein ruled that such milk – also called cholov stam – is permissible because the governmental inspection of dairies can serve as verification that milk from non-kosher animals is not present.
But a new letter that was recently discovered, and, to the best of our knowledge, was never published before, places key restrictions on that option.

The letter was written in response to an inquiry by Reb Yitzchok Shlomo Hoffman OBM, a noted Jewish activist who would arrange kosher food for Jewish patients in New York hospitals.

Hoffman asked the staff in Maimonides Medical Center in Boro Park why they serve Cholov Akum. Their reply was that “Reb Moshe allowed it.”

When Hoffman reported this to Rav Feinstein, the posek handed him a letter calling it a leniency that should not be relied upon by those who are living “where real Cholov Yisroel is available.”

R’ Yitzchok Shlomo Hoffman recently passed away and the letter was found by his children among his possessions.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4167 on: February 18, 2020, 12:13:35 AM »
He writes similar in Igros Moshe too. Still people choose the cholov stam yogurt off the aisle instead of choosing the CY ones right next to it, all to save a few cents. There should really be more awareness of his stance in this situation.
There seems to be a dispute between the close talmidim of Reb Moshe what his position really was.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4168 on: February 18, 2020, 12:17:37 AM »
There seems to be a dispute between the close talmidim of Reb Moshe what his position really was.
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This letter pretty much clear things up, if it's an authentic letter. (sounds so)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4169 on: February 18, 2020, 12:44:10 AM »
This letter pretty much clear things up, if it's an authentic letter. (sounds so)
Not necessarily. Don’t you think Rav Moshe would make sure to publicize this letter?!? אלא מאי, the argument will be made that in boropark there’s certainly no need to compromise on CY but that doesn’t mean that the heter is not valid in other situations...
What exactly the geder is i don’t know...