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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 468612 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4200 on: February 18, 2020, 08:27:09 PM »
Um, in the מדריך לכשרות in תשלז he clearly says that individuals should be machmir.
אין מן הראוי להקל וצריכים להשיג
is pretty strong language...
This is a letter of his published without the context or the even the question it was in response to. Is that printed anywhere else? The one on the next page is actually one of the letters I was referring to written to Rabbi Ochs in Toronto and was published in other places as well.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4201 on: February 18, 2020, 08:32:54 PM »
So then please talk like a mentch.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4202 on: February 18, 2020, 08:33:02 PM »
Link? I never heard anyone ask him about it.
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/rav-moshe-ztls-heter-of-cholov-stam-revisited/

I am pretty sure there was a follow-up article to this too.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4203 on: February 18, 2020, 08:42:58 PM »
This is a letter of his published without the context or the even the question it was in response to. Is that printed anywhere else? The one on the next page is actually one of the letters I was referring to written to Rabbi Ochs in Toronto and was published in other places as well.

Many of his teshuvos including ones that many quote and are somech on were published without the full context or the actual question.
Despite the lack of context it is fairly clear:he is attributing the fact that many people are makil to מפני הדחק, and that these people would need to be machmir where the is C”Y available, even if that would involve more tircha and higher prices. He certainly does not sound like he is giving a personal hanhaga to Rabbi Weinfeld....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4204 on: February 18, 2020, 08:45:32 PM »
Many of his teshuvos including ones that many quote and are somech on were published without the full context or the actual question.
Despite the lack of context it is fairly clear:he is attributing the fact that many people are makil to מפני הדחק, and that these people would need to be machmir where the is C”Y available, even if that would involve more tircha and higher prices. He certainly does not sound like he is giving a personal hanhaga to Rabbi Weinfeld....
Any tshuva which is printed in Igros Moshe without context is very specifically because Rav Moshe felt that the conext was not needed. This is something which Rav Moshe was very specifically on top of personally.
Yet he chose to omit all of these from Igros.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4205 on: February 18, 2020, 08:46:42 PM »
Any tshuva which is printed in Igros Moshe without context is very specifically because Rav Moshe felt that the conext was not needed. This is something which Rav Moshe was very specifically on top of personally.
Yet he chose to omit all of these from Igros.
I guess in the earlier chalakim....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4206 on: February 18, 2020, 08:48:35 PM »
I guess in the earlier chalakim....
Until Vol 7 inclusive.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4207 on: February 18, 2020, 09:01:37 PM »
He writes similar in Igros Moshe too. Still people choose the cholov stam yogurt off the aisle instead of choosing the CY ones right next to it, all to save a few cents. There should really be more awareness of his stance in this situation.
How do you know the motivations? The taste is much better FWIW
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4208 on: February 18, 2020, 09:09:11 PM »
How do you know the motivations? The taste is much better FWIW
FWIW, definitely.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4209 on: February 18, 2020, 09:18:37 PM »
Are those who are relying on Rav Moshe to justify Cholov Stam as quick to follow Rav Moshe in his other psakim where he is likewise somewhat of a mechadesh and a minority opinion? For example, do they refrain from eating Wise Potato Chips since Rav Moshe held there was a Bishul Akum concern (as per his son that Rav Moshe did know what potato chips were, and was indeed referring to them)? Or what about automating things in the home other than the lighting on shabbos and yom tov? Or is it only when it is convenient to follow Rav Moshe because that Häagen-Dazs is creamy and delicious?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4210 on: February 18, 2020, 09:24:01 PM »
This is a poor argument.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4211 on: February 18, 2020, 09:25:39 PM »
Are those who are relying on Rav Moshe to justify Cholov Stam as quick to follow Rav Moshe in his other psakim where he is likewise somewhat of a mechadesh and a minority opinion? For example, do they refrain from eating Wise Potato Chips since Rav Moshe held there was a Bishul Akum concern (as per his son that Rav Moshe did know what potato chips were, and was indeed referring to them)? Or what about automating things in the home other than the lighting on shabbos and yom tov? Or is it only when it is convenient to follow Rav Moshe because that Häagen-Dazs is creamy and delicious?

Welcome to halacha. There are certain kulos from r' Moshe that are widely accepted and some that are not . Same for chumros. Making tea on shabbos is an example where R' Moshe is meikel yet many people are still machmir. Please point to a single american posek that is cholek on R' Moshe in regards to cholov stam?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4212 on: February 18, 2020, 09:59:13 PM »
Welcome to halacha. There are certain kulos from r' Moshe that are widely accepted and some that are not . Same for chumros. Making tea on shabbos is an example where R' Moshe is meikel yet many people are still machmir. Please point to a single american posek that is cholek on R' Moshe in regards to cholov stam?

Rav Yonasan Shteif. The Debrecener Rav (Beer Moshe 4:52) among others.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4213 on: February 18, 2020, 10:26:41 PM »

This is a letter of his published without the context or the even the question it was in response to. Is that printed anywhere else? The one on the next page is actually one of the letters I was referring to written to Rabbi Ochs in Toronto and was published in other places as well.

I was not able to find the actual question but a bit of detective work should give us plenty of context. The question was asked by a Rav Avrohom Weinfeld of Monsey, mechaber sefer Lev Avraham.( He is the shoel in another teshuva in the Igros.) In Lev Avrohom siman 74 he strongly opines that cholov stam is assur in general, and he specifically calls out the schools that are serving it to their talmidim. He then proceeds to bring several teshovos from Rabbanim that replied to him, concurring that it is assur, among them Rav Yonason Shteif.

The teshuvos of the Rabbonim are all dated parshas shlach תשטז, the exact date that Rav Moshes reply to him is dated, so we can reasonable assume that the letter he sent to Rav Moshe was a carbon copy of the one he sent to the other Rabbanim. Interestingly he left Rav Moshe’s reply out of his teshuva, presumably because it did not corroborate his position, since Rav Moshe did not outright assur Chalav Stam.

Rav Moshe does not seem to be limiting his reply to yeshivas, and indeed Rabbi Weinfeld was opining that it should be assur across the board to which Rav Moshe was replying. I think it’s fair to say there is a strongly worded opinion from Rav Moshe that everyone who has access to C”Y, even at additional expense and inconvenience, ought to be machmir.


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4214 on: February 18, 2020, 10:37:28 PM »
Here is his teshuva