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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 468911 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4215 on: February 18, 2020, 10:37:50 PM »
I was not able to find the actual question but a bit of detective work should give us plenty of context. The question was asked by a Rav Avrohom Weinfeld of Monsey, mechaber sefer Lev Avraham.( He is the shoel in another teshuva in the Igros.) In Lev Avrohom siman 74 he strongly opines that cholov stam is assur in general, and he specifically calls out the schools that are serving it to their talmidim. He then proceeds to bring several teshovos from Rabbanim that replied to him, concurring that it is assur, among them Rav Yonason Shteif.

The teshuvos of the Rabbonim are all dated parshas shlach תשטז, the exact date that Rav Moshes reply to him is dated, so we can reasonable assume that the letter he sent to Rav Moshe was a carbon copy of the one he sent to the other Rabbanim. Interestingly he left Rav Moshes reply out of his teshuva, presumably because it did not corroborate his position, since Rav Moshe did not outright assur Chalav Stam.

Rav Moshe does not seem to be limiting his reply to yeshivas, and indeed Rabbi Weinfeld was opining that it should be assur across the board to which Rav Moshe was replying. I think its fair to say there is a strongly worded opinion from Rav Moshe that everyone who has access to CY, even at additional expense and inconvenience, ought to be machmir.
Interestingly there is a tshuva in Igros about exactly this topic of having it in schools from 1970 which he did print which is very different.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4216 on: February 18, 2020, 10:38:17 PM »
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4217 on: February 18, 2020, 10:48:23 PM »
Interestingly there is a tshuva in Igros about exactly this topic of having it in schools from 1970 which he did print which is very different.

How is that teshuva very different? There he writes that the small added expense of cholov yisroel ends up being a huge yearly budget expense, yet he writes that one should spare no expense for chinuch.

At the end of the paragraph he says individuals need not be machmir in places where there is no cholov Yisrael and it is קשה מאוד to obtain CY. How is that in conflict with the teshuva cited above?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4218 on: February 18, 2020, 10:52:48 PM »
How is that teshuva very different? There he writes that the small added expense of cholov yisroel ends up being a huge yearly budget expense, yet he writes that one should spare no expense for chinuch.

At the end of the paragraph he says individuals need not be machmir in places where there is no cholov Yisrael and it is קשה מאוד to obtain CY. How is that in conflict with the teshuva cited above?
So i guess context does matter. Okay then.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4219 on: February 18, 2020, 10:53:39 PM »
How is that teshuva very different? There he writes that the small added expense of cholov yisroel ends up being a huge yearly budget expense, yet he writes that one should spare no expense for chinuch.

At the end of the paragraph he says individuals need not be machmir in places where there is no cholov Yisrael and it is קשה מאוד to obtain CY. How is that in conflict with the teshuva cited above?
Agree. I referred to that tshuva in above. You quoted that correctly.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4220 on: February 19, 2020, 03:12:37 AM »
And how would you define his agenda??
Can you give an example of a Talmid Chacham that said something knowingly false on the program?
not publicly. That would be suicidal. Suffice it to say it was during his kashrus series. Unfortunately these were not just people I know, but rather people I respected and some were mentors.

His mind is made up before interviewing his subjects. It's clear from how he interviews them. He doesn't ask the same questions to guests with opposing views.
The only person I ever heard stand their ground and not get into the gutter with him was @Dan
Using your g-d given right of stupidity is an option, not a requirement. Please use sparingly.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4221 on: February 19, 2020, 07:50:14 AM »
Agree. I referred to that tshuva in above. You quoted that correctly.
Yet the point which he was trying to bring out from the letter to R' Weinfeld, namely that the entire heter should not be used by individuals, is not there. That is VERY different unless you say that this letter too needs to be understood based on the context of being about what schools should buy.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4222 on: February 19, 2020, 08:52:36 AM »
not publicly. That would be suicidal. Suffice it to say it was during his kashrus series. Unfortunately these were not just people I know, but rather people I respected and some were mentors.

His mind is made up before interviewing his subjects. It's clear from how he interviews them. He doesn't ask the same questions to guests with opposing views.
The only person I ever heard stand their ground and not get into the gutter with him was @Dan
The guys from the OU also know how to handle him

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4223 on: February 19, 2020, 08:53:32 AM »
Yet the point which he was trying to bring out from the letter to R' Weinfeld, namely that the entire heter should not be used by individuals, is not there. That is VERY different unless you say that this letter too needs to be understood based on the context of being about what schools should buy.

Or unless you take the more obvious route, which is that the letter to Rabbi Weinfeld (where he starts out noting that many individuals in America [this clearly seems to be referring to the המון עם] are meikel since CY is difficult to obtain- yet , in places where CY is obtainable these same individuals [המון עם]should be machmir) is a clear indication that when he says מן הראוי לבעלי נפש להחמיר in יו״ד ב׳ ל״ה he has a much lower bar than the way some want to interpret it.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4224 on: February 19, 2020, 09:25:06 AM »
Or unless you take the more obvious route, which is that the letter to Rabbi Weinfeld (where he starts out noting that many individuals in America [this clearly seems to be referring to the המון עם] are meikel since CY is difficult to obtain- yet , in places where CY is obtainable these same individuals [המון עם]should be machmir) is a clear indication that when he says מן הראוי לבעלי נפש להחמיר in יו״ד ב׳ ל״ה he has a much lower bar than the way some want to interpret it.
You should probably see R' Reuven's sefer Divrei Sholom (in english) where he explains the reason a baal nefesh should be machmir.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4225 on: February 19, 2020, 09:36:27 AM »
You should probably see R' Reuven's sefer Divrei Sholom (in english) where he explains the reason a baal nefesh should be machmir.
RReuvens position is pretty clear.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4226 on: February 19, 2020, 09:52:20 AM »
R Reuvens position is pretty clear.
And R' Reuven says his position is his fathers position, so I'll go with his interpretation over yours.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4227 on: February 19, 2020, 10:20:26 AM »
And R' Reuven says his position is his fathers position, so I'll go with his interpretation over yours.
Ok lets stop debating any teshuvos in the Igros across all 4 Chelkei Shulchan Aruch, toss out the tens of thousands of pages and teshuvos mechabrei sefarim have written over the last 4 decades debating them and just go with what Rav Reuven and Rav Dovid say they understood to be Rav Moshes position. Got it.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4228 on: February 19, 2020, 10:26:15 AM »
Ok lets stop debating any teshuvos in the Igros across all 4 Chelkei Shulchan Aruch, toss out the tens of thousands of pages and teshuvos mechabrei sefarim have written over the last 4 decades debating them and just go with what Rav Reuven and Rav Dovid say they understood to be Rav Moshes position. Got it.
Don't R Reuven and R Dovid also have access to the igros?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4229 on: February 19, 2020, 10:29:17 AM »
Are those who are relying on Rav Moshe to justify Cholov Stam as quick to follow Rav Moshe in his other psakim where he is likewise somewhat of a mechadesh and a minority opinion? For example, do they refrain from eating Wise Potato Chips since Rav Moshe held there was a Bishul Akum concern (as per his son that Rav Moshe did know what potato chips were, and was indeed referring to them)? Or what about automating things in the home other than the lighting on shabbos and yom tov? Or is it only when it is convenient to follow Rav Moshe because that Hagen-Dazs is creamy and delicious?

This is a poor argument.

That would depend on what their argument is. If they are simply saying that the minhag in America
was to follow Rav Moshes psak on Chalav Stam  at the time when they were maybe a dozen chalav yisroel products but that still holds true today when you have hundreds and perhaps thousands of products and it is at best a minor inconvenience to eat chalav Yisrael, one would have to know if that is a valid argument. There are many things that Klal Yisrael was not makpid on when times were difficult that have completely changed as the situation changed, such as hiddurim in mikvaos, buying lulavim for each child, and many others.

 On the other hand, if their argument is that  Rav Moshe was the preeminent posek in America so we should be following his psak, minhag or no minhag, then what I wrote above is absolutely valid.