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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 440061 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4515 on: April 21, 2020, 11:03:04 AM »
Are you talking about the 'steam clean' ones? Or regular self clean?
I don't remember exactly, but it could be it was the steam clean ones. I think it was a star-k Kashrus Kurrents article from a while back.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4516 on: April 21, 2020, 11:04:03 AM »
I don't remember exactly, but it could be it was the steam clean ones. I think it was a star-k Kashrus Kurrents article from a while back.
If you have one of those, you probably know it. They require pouring water into the bottom of the oven. Those are obviously no good for kashering.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4517 on: April 21, 2020, 11:07:57 AM »
If you have one of those, you probably know it. They require pouring water into the bottom of the oven. Those are obviously no good for kashering.
The oven I have now, you can do steam clean, but you can also do regular, heavy duty self clean.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4518 on: April 21, 2020, 11:09:18 AM »
If you have one of those, you probably know it. They require pouring water into the bottom of the oven. Those are obviously no good for kashering.
I don't have a self cleaning oven altogether. (I bought a new convection oven for pesach.)
I just was quoting something I remember hearing/seeing that may be the explanation for those that heard that self-clean may not work.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4519 on: April 21, 2020, 11:11:11 AM »
If you have one of those, you probably know it. They require pouring water into the bottom of the oven. Those are obviously no good for kashering.
-.05 some models do. Others, called continuous clean, used a different method and don't require pouring water or a hard water line.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4520 on: April 21, 2020, 11:11:58 AM »
Please note that many ovens today have ‘Aqualift’ or ‘Steam Clean’ instead of a conventional self-cleaning feature. Neither ‘Aqualift’ nor ‘Steam Clean’ get hot enough to kasher the oven. Instead, use the Conventional Oven kashering method as described above.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4521 on: April 21, 2020, 11:12:01 AM »
-.05 some models do. Others, called continuous clean, used a different method and don't require pouring water or a hard water line.
I understand that some may have both, but how exactly would an oven do steam clean with no water?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4522 on: April 21, 2020, 11:13:40 AM »
Those with self clean ovens will notice that even after a deal clean with degreaser such as easy off and washing after, there will still be a fine layer of ash after a full 5 hour self cleaning
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4523 on: April 21, 2020, 11:14:58 AM »
I understand that some may have both, but how exactly would an oven do steam clean with no water?
Continuous clean ≠ steam clean
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4524 on: April 21, 2020, 11:26:48 AM »
Continuous clean ≠ steam clean
So what was your -.5 to my comment about steam clean? Is there a steam clean feature on the market that's good for kashering? If not, I don't see what the -.5 means.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4525 on: April 21, 2020, 11:40:34 AM »
So what was your -.5 to my comment about steam clean? Is there a steam clean feature on the market that's good for kashering? If not, I don't see what the -.5 means.
Non are good for kashering. I. Fact even according to those who allow non self clean kashering won't allow it via steam.
The -.05 was regarding someone would definitely know
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4526 on: April 21, 2020, 11:43:00 AM »

The -.05 was regarding someone would definitely know
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4527 on: April 21, 2020, 11:52:50 AM »
Those with self clean ovens will notice that even after a deal clean with degreaser such as easy off and washing after, there will still be a fine layer of ash after a full 5 hour self cleaning
thats ash. It’s burnt.  That’s what libun does

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4528 on: April 21, 2020, 12:04:03 PM »
thats ash. It’s burnt.  That’s what libun does
That's the point. Thank you for explaining further
Yet still some poskim have an issue. Little anecdote... I once had the opportunity to perform libun with a blow torch for a prominent posek who does not allow self clean. At the point which he said was libun gamur the heat only measured about 500° F. The heat was measured very accurately with a markal temperature indicator stick and a calibrated infared thermometer. He still maintained that self cleaning doesn't work since maybe direct fire is different intense heat.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4529 on: April 22, 2020, 02:02:51 PM »
What are the different shittos about taking a haircut/shaving this Friday/Rosh Chodesh Iyar for one who holds the first half of sefira?