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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 584205 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4520 on: April 21, 2020, 11:11:58 AM »
Please note that many ovens today have ‘Aqualift’ or ‘Steam Clean’ instead of a conventional self-cleaning feature. Neither ‘Aqualift’ nor ‘Steam Clean’ get hot enough to kasher the oven. Instead, use the Conventional Oven kashering method as described above.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4521 on: April 21, 2020, 11:12:01 AM »
-.05 some models do. Others, called continuous clean, used a different method and don't require pouring water or a hard water line.
I understand that some may have both, but how exactly would an oven do steam clean with no water?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4522 on: April 21, 2020, 11:13:40 AM »
Those with self clean ovens will notice that even after a deal clean with degreaser such as easy off and washing after, there will still be a fine layer of ash after a full 5 hour self cleaning

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4523 on: April 21, 2020, 11:14:58 AM »
I understand that some may have both, but how exactly would an oven do steam clean with no water?
Continuous clean ≠ steam clean

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4524 on: April 21, 2020, 11:26:48 AM »
Continuous clean ≠ steam clean
So what was your -.5 to my comment about steam clean? Is there a steam clean feature on the market that's good for kashering? If not, I don't see what the -.5 means.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4525 on: April 21, 2020, 11:40:34 AM »
So what was your -.5 to my comment about steam clean? Is there a steam clean feature on the market that's good for kashering? If not, I don't see what the -.5 means.
Non are good for kashering. I. Fact even according to those who allow non self clean kashering won't allow it via steam.
The -.05 was regarding someone would definitely know

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4526 on: April 21, 2020, 11:43:00 AM »

The -.05 was regarding someone would definitely know
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4527 on: April 21, 2020, 11:52:50 AM »
Those with self clean ovens will notice that even after a deal clean with degreaser such as easy off and washing after, there will still be a fine layer of ash after a full 5 hour self cleaning
thats ash. It’s burnt.  That’s what libun does

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4528 on: April 21, 2020, 12:04:03 PM »
thats ash. It’s burnt.  That’s what libun does
That's the point. Thank you for explaining further
Yet still some poskim have an issue. Little anecdote... I once had the opportunity to perform libun with a blow torch for a prominent posek who does not allow self clean. At the point which he said was libun gamur the heat only measured about 500° F. The heat was measured very accurately with a markal temperature indicator stick and a calibrated infared thermometer. He still maintained that self cleaning doesn't work since maybe direct fire is different intense heat.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4529 on: April 22, 2020, 02:02:51 PM »
What are the different shittos about taking a haircut/shaving this Friday/Rosh Chodesh Iyar for one who holds the first half of sefira?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4530 on: April 22, 2020, 02:10:51 PM »
What are the different shittos about taking a haircut/shaving this Friday/Rosh Chodesh Iyar for one who holds the first half of sefira?
You can. You can’t.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4531 on: April 22, 2020, 02:11:51 PM »
What are the different shittos about taking a haircut/shaving this Friday/Rosh Chodesh Iyar for one who holds the first half of sefira
mishna brura says you can

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4532 on: April 22, 2020, 02:13:51 PM »
You can. You can’t.

Lol. I was asking who the different shittos are. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4533 on: April 22, 2020, 02:29:19 PM »
That's the point. Thank you for explaining further
Yet still some poskim have an issue. Little anecdote... I once had the opportunity to perform libun with a blow torch for a prominent posek who does not allow self clean. At the point which he said was libun gamur the heat only measured about 500° F. The heat was measured very accurately with a markal temperature indicator stick and a calibrated infared thermometer. He still maintained that self cleaning doesn't work since maybe direct fire is different intense heat.

You mean heseiko bifnim? Then why not get the oven to 550 and then turn on the broiler?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4534 on: April 22, 2020, 04:16:22 PM »
mishna brura says you can
Kitzur too

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4535 on: April 23, 2020, 11:41:57 AM »
What are the different shittos about taking a haircut/shaving this Friday/Rosh Chodesh Iyar for one who holds the first half of sefira?
Anyone have any specific maareh mekomos saying even a 'first half' holder can shave tomorrow?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4536 on: April 23, 2020, 11:47:11 AM »
.מ"ב )סי' תצ"ג ס"ק ה'( – "ואף להנוהגין איסור גם עד ר"ח אייר מ"מ אם חל ר"ח בשבת כיון שיש כאן
תוספת שמחה שבת ור"ח יש להתיר להסתפר בע"ש מפני כבוד השבת".

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4537 on: April 23, 2020, 11:59:08 AM »
.מ"ב )סי' תצ"ג ס"ק ה'( – "ואף להנוהגין איסור גם עד ר"ח אייר מ"מ אם חל ר"ח בשבת כיון שיש כאן
תוספת שמחה שבת ור"ח יש להתיר להסתפר בע"ש מפני כבוד השבת".
Wasn't sure if that could mean davka when rosh chodesh is shabbos-sunday, but I actually don't think the calendar can fall out that way. And besides, it wouldn't make much sense to be mechalek.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4538 on: April 23, 2020, 12:29:15 PM »
Wasn't sure if that could mean davka when rosh chodesh is shabbos-sunday, but I actually don't think the calendar can fall out that way. And besides, it wouldn't make much sense to be mechalek.

Thanks for posting.
Actually, I take it back. Apparently there is some discussion in the later poskim as to whether the M"B meant to include a scenario like this year, where shaving erev shabbos involves 'violating' the tzava'a of R Yehuda Hachasid. I don't have the specific maareh mekomos handy, but I heard that Rav Vosner and Rav Chaim Kanievsky said it's not included in the M"B's heter, while Rav Moshe said it is.

ETA - Specific maareh mekomos for this machlokes here: https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/113721/may-one-shave-haircut-on-friday-rosh-chodesh-iyar.

And obviously this later machlokes is only relevant if you follow the tzava'a of R Yehuda Hachasid the rest of the year as well.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4539 on: April 23, 2020, 06:08:26 PM »
but I heard that Rav Vosner and Rav Chaim Kanievsky said it's not included in the M"B's heter, while Rav Moshe said it is.
Rav Wossner was Matir if the first day of Rosh Chodesh is on Friday