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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5020 on: July 06, 2021, 10:01:36 PM »
See igros moshe cheilek aleph siman 33
I think R Moshe is talking about people who were frum, but had to work on shabbos. Here we are dealing with someone who isn't frum and just wants to come to shul. Our question just is if anything he did constitutes befarhesya or not.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5021 on: July 07, 2021, 12:03:25 AM »
I think R Moshe is talking about people who were frum, but had to work on shabbos. Here we are dealing with someone who isn't frum and just wants to come to shul. Our question just is if anything he did constitutes befarhesya or not.
Then there's no real question he's a tinok shenishboh.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5022 on: July 07, 2021, 12:07:12 AM »
Is going out to make a phone call or driving to shul & parking a block away considered בפרהסיה ?
What if the phone call was a טעות עכום? True story
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5023 on: July 07, 2021, 12:07:21 AM »
Then there's no real question he's a tinok shenishboh.
First of all, that is t necessarily true, but regardless, it has nothing to do with this. Did you read R Moshe's tshuva you posted? If he did a maaseh of chillul shabbos publicly, that is a maaseh kefira and is considered a mumar, even if you have reason to believe that he is really just doing it letayavon

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5024 on: July 07, 2021, 12:07:49 AM »
What if the phone call was a טעות עכום? True story
What does this mean?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5025 on: July 07, 2021, 12:16:26 AM »
What does this mean?
Someone answered the phone on shabbos (old man not sure if he knew the day of the week) everyone was like what was that all about, he said a guy had the wrong number so they said, so its a ......
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5026 on: July 07, 2021, 01:18:10 AM »
First of all, that is t necessarily true, but regardless, it has nothing to do with this. Did you read R Moshe's tshuva you posted? If he did a maaseh of chillul shabbos publicly, that is a maaseh kefira and is considered a mumar, even if you have reason to believe that he is really just doing it letayavon
But then reb moshe clarifies why in a case where there's reason to say that it was leteiovon we assume that it was for that reason and he isn't being a kofer. Now if that's true regarding someone going to work how much more so it's true to someone who is driving to shul.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5027 on: July 07, 2021, 02:02:37 AM »
Someone answered the phone on shabbos (old man not sure if he knew the day of the week) everyone was like what was that all about, he said a guy had the wrong number so they said, so its a ......
He could have been a doctor...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5028 on: July 07, 2021, 05:57:48 AM »
Where do you see that? Just that the vast majority of non-observant are not, not that there's no such thing.
Besides, the question was about a mechalel shabbos iinm.

Read the screenshot I posted.

The Chazon Ash says Mechalel Shabbos is not considered Mumar etc until he does so in the face of תוכחה, and since there is no תוכחה nowadays all are anusim.


That may not be the prevailing opinion but there is no question it is what the Chazon Ish says.
 
Then there's no real question he's a tinok shenishboh.

R Elyashiv and others dispute that, since knoweldge of Shabbos is fairly widespread.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5029 on: July 07, 2021, 06:44:01 AM »
He could have been a doctor...
He wasnt a stranger, it was an old יוצאי רוסיא with a cane
Engineer would fit better
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5030 on: July 07, 2021, 09:04:12 AM »
Read the screenshot I posted.

The Chazon Ash says Mechalel Shabbos is not considered Mumar etc until he does so in the face of תוכחה, and since there is no תוכחה nowadays all are anusim.


That may not be the prevailing opinion but there is no question it is what the Chazon Ish says.
 
R Elyashiv and others dispute that, since knoweldge of Shabbos is fairly widespread.
I see now.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5031 on: July 09, 2021, 01:55:18 PM »
May one put on new suits, shirts, pants this shabbos ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5032 on: July 09, 2021, 02:03:11 PM »
May one put on new suits, shirts, pants this shabbos ?

You can put it on now  :P

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5033 on: July 09, 2021, 02:23:10 PM »
You can put it on now  :P
Its ok during the 3 weeks ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5034 on: July 09, 2021, 02:30:10 PM »
Its ok during the 3 weeks ?

My bad no cant in three weeks. I cant remember if its the three weeks or sefira where we specifically get new cloths or try to make shehechiyanu at least in Chabad.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5035 on: July 09, 2021, 02:36:57 PM »
Its ok during the 3 weeks ?
If you wouldn't make a שהחיינו it's fine

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5036 on: July 09, 2021, 02:39:23 PM »
My bad no cant in three weeks. I cant remember if its the three weeks or sefira where we specifically get new cloths or try to make shehechiyanu at least in Chabad.
Rosh Hashanah maybe?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5037 on: July 09, 2021, 02:39:42 PM »
If you wouldn't make a שהחיינו it's fine
Not during the nine days though

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5038 on: July 09, 2021, 02:41:11 PM »
You can put it on now  :P
Definitely the way to go for shirts and pants. Suits is more of a question although some pasken that;

If you wouldn't make a שהחיינו it's fine

And that leniency is also to wear it first today. Not allowed in the nine days, even Shabbos.

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