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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 951694 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5600 on: January 20, 2023, 10:28:38 AM »
Interesting. So is the takeaway that strolling along the beach in the middle of summer is fine?

That was not my takeaway. I assumed he was too engrossed in talking/thinking about learning to realize that the empty boardwalk the day before was now full of people. This made a lot of sense considering who it was.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5601 on: January 20, 2023, 10:39:48 AM »
Rav Moshe’s teshuva to Rabbi Bursztyn would be applicable to this Rosh Yeshiva as well.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5602 on: January 20, 2023, 12:02:44 PM »
Can an american arrange before shabbos for an Israeli to do something for him once shabbos is over in Israel but still shabbos in america (eg check-in for a flight online)?
From” Commerce And Shabbos”. Talking about a non Jew but should be the same. There may be other opinions about as evident from @Ver hut gazugt, so ask your LOR




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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5603 on: January 20, 2023, 12:07:51 PM »
From” Commerce And Shabbos”. Talking about a non Jew but should be the same. There may be other opinions about as evident from @Ver hut gazugt, so ask your LOR
A non-jew would be a bigger issue, there is a shaila of amirah l'akum. There is no issur called "amira l'yisroel", I don't understand how there can be a problem to ask a jew to do something he is allowed to do. It's like someone who was mekabel shabbos asking someone who wasn't to do melacha.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5604 on: January 20, 2023, 12:10:51 PM »
A non-jew would be a bigger issue, there is a shaila of amirah l'akum.

Yes I thought the same but read the pages and saw it's matir even an akum to do it.

It's like someone who was mekabel shabbos asking someone who wasn't to do melacha.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5605 on: January 20, 2023, 12:27:54 PM »
There is no issur called "amira l'yisroel", I don't understand how there can be a problem to ask a jew to do something he is allowed to do. It's like someone who was mekabel shabbos asking someone who wasn't to do melacha.
Gets a bit complex, it’s prohibited for someone who keeps 2 days יום כיפור to ask someone to to do melecha for him the second day. Gets into the בני חו״ל asking בני א״י to do מלאכה for them shmuz. This case is better though because there is a clear distinction based on the individual’s circumstances so it’s more comparable to the kabalas shabbos case.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5606 on: January 20, 2023, 12:40:15 PM »
A non-jew would be a bigger issue, there is a shaila of amirah l'akum. There is no issur called "amira l'yisroel", I don't understand how there can be a problem to ask a jew to do something he is allowed to do. It's like someone who was mekabel shabbos asking someone who wasn't to do melacha.
in some cases it the opposite. Look up the Halachas of second day yom tov in ey…

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5607 on: January 22, 2023, 04:25:51 AM »
A non-jew would be a bigger issue, there is a shaila of amirah l'akum. There is no issur called "amira l'yisroel", I don't understand how there can be a problem to ask a jew to do something he is allowed to do. It's like someone who was mekabel shabbos asking someone who wasn't to do melacha.
There is basically two aspects to be dealt with when talking to another Jew regarding melacha.
The first is zilzul Shabbos, which is dealt with in our case because it isn't Shabbos. However, regarding (for instance) YT Sheni, you cannot talk about something that is a melacha for you even though the Yisrael is muttar to do melacha even on your behalf. (You can hint and you can benefit if he gets the hint.)
The second is lifnei iver. This applies if the reason you are not acting applies to the other Yid as well. In our case, the other Yid is in EY and it is not Shabbos. However, if (for instance) you believe that opening the bottle is a deoraysa, you cannot ask another Yid straight out to open it for you. (If you hold it is a chumra, and he has his Rav who matirs, it could be you can.)

So I cannot see the problem with telling another Jew before Shabbos to do something that is muttar for him, even if for you it would be ossur when that time comes.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5608 on: January 22, 2023, 09:11:21 AM »
There is basically two aspects to be dealt with when talking to another Jew regarding melacha.
The first is zilzul Shabbos, which is dealt with in our case because it isn't Shabbos. However, regarding (for instance) YT Sheni, you cannot talk about something that is a melacha for you even though the Yisrael is muttar to do melacha even on your behalf. (You can hint and you can benefit if he gets the hint.)
The second is lifnei iver. This applies if the reason you are not acting applies to the other Yid as well. In our case, the other Yid is in EY and it is not Shabbos. However, if (for instance) you believe that opening the bottle is a deoraysa, you cannot ask another Yid straight out to open it for you. (If you hold it is a chumra, and he has his Rav who matirs, it could be you can.)

So I cannot see the problem with telling another Jew before Shabbos to do something that is muttar for him, even if for you it would be ossur when that time comes.
I know Rav Belsky said this, but Rav Moshe Feinstein said you can ask. There is no problem of lifnei iver because for him it is mutter.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5609 on: January 22, 2023, 09:14:42 AM »
I know Rav Belsky said this, but Rav Moshe Feinstein said you can ask. There is no problem of lifnei iver because for him it is mutter.
I don’t think he was talking about a case where you yourself believe it’s prohibited, rather someone who got a הוראה that he can’t open but doesn’t have a personal opinion about it.

Either way it needs to be reconciled with the tur who says
it’s prohibited for someone who keeps 2 days יום כיפור to ask someone to to do melecha for him the second day.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5610 on: January 22, 2023, 09:27:54 AM »
I know Rav Belsky said this, but Rav Moshe Feinstein said you can ask. There is no problem of lifnei iver because for him it is mutter.
What imayid2 said. I think it depends on if it is a chumrah or ikkur hadin. I can throw out numerous examples from RYB.
(Agav, he holds the meikilim are correct in the metzius of opening bottles - but is not willing to be meikil against the numerous machmirim. As such, he tells us to open bottles before Shabbos. He also warned us not to poke holes in the top, because the meikilim hold it is already a kli - and you can't go around poking holes in keilim on Shabbos. The machmirim who hold it is not a kli do not have that problem.)
The problem is as above - opening your mouth to express the desire of something that is a melacha is a trangression of the derabonon of vedaber davar.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5611 on: January 22, 2023, 09:33:56 AM »
What imayid2 said. I think it depends on if it is a chumrah or ikkur hadin. I can throw out numerous examples from RYB.
(Agav, he holds the meikilim are correct in the metzius of opening bottles - but is not willing to be meikil against the numerous machmirim. As such, he tells us to open bottles before Shabbos. He also warned us not to poke holes in the top, because the meikilim hold it is already a kli - and you can't go around poking holes in keilim on Shabbos. The machmirim who hold it is not a kli do not have that problem.)
The problem is as above - opening your mouth to express the desire of something that is a melacha is a trangression of the derabonon of vedaber davar.
As I said, I know Rav Belsky held it's a problem to ask someone.

According to Rav Moshe poking a hole doesn't help. He says the problem is making pesach, he doesn't say there's a problem of making a kli
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5612 on: January 22, 2023, 09:37:59 AM »
I don’t think he was talking about a case where you yourself believe it’s prohibited, rather someone who got a הוראה that he can’t open but doesn’t have a personal opinion about it.

Correct, I heard this distinction from מו"ר שליט"א
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5613 on: January 22, 2023, 10:24:32 AM »

I can throw out numerous examples from RYB.
As I said, I know Rav Belsky held it's a problem to ask someone.
RYB = Rav Yitzchok Berkowitz

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5614 on: January 22, 2023, 10:27:12 AM »
RYB = Rav Yitzchok Berkowitz
Thanks for the clarification. I thought he meant Rav Yisroel Belsky
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5615 on: January 22, 2023, 10:42:30 AM »
Thanks for the clarification. I thought he meant Rav Yisroel Belsky
Oh. Woops.  :-[
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5616 on: January 23, 2023, 12:55:28 PM »
Is there a way for a רוצח to have a כפרה nowadays ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5617 on: January 23, 2023, 01:12:30 PM »
Is there a way for a רוצח to have a כפרה nowadays ?
I am not sure I want to know more...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5618 on: January 23, 2023, 01:29:28 PM »
Is there a way for a רוצח to have a כפרה nowadays ?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5619 on: January 23, 2023, 01:36:17 PM »
I am not sure I want to know more...
Why don’t we meet in a dark alley & I'll fill you in on all the details ? :D
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So no כפרה ?