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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 929763 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2011, 10:27:19 AM »
A friend of mine got a big screen TV at Best Buy before the superbowl. He told the rep that he was planning on returning it the day after and asked if that was ok.

The rep said ' We are so convinced that you will love it and want to keep it that we are happy to sell it to you'.

My friend explained that he would never spend that much money on a TV, and didn't even want to own a TV in his house - just needed it for a super bowl party.

The rep said 'No problem!' Take it and enjoy'!

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2011, 10:29:46 AM »
A friend of mine got a big screen TV at Best Buy before the superbowl. He told the rep that he was planning on returning it the day after and asked if that was ok.

The rep said ' We are so convinced that you will love it and want to keep it that we are happy to sell it to you'.

My friend explained that he would never spend that much money on a TV, and didn't even want to own a TV in his house - just needed it for a super bowl party.

The rep said 'No problem!' Take it and enjoy'!
So the rep's authrization is qualified?
I guess that's corp-wide policy though, still if you really don't have the money and there's absolutely no chance you'll buy it (now or later) I don't think its ok
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2011, 10:41:39 AM »
I think nowdays stores know that ppl do that so it might be ok.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2011, 10:47:40 AM »
A friend of mine got a big screen TV at Best Buy before the superbowl. He told the rep that he was planning on returning it the day after and asked if that was ok.

The rep said ' We are so convinced that you will love it and want to keep it that we are happy to sell it to you'.

My friend explained that he would never spend that much money on a TV, and didn't even want to own a TV in his house - just needed it for a super bowl party.

The rep said 'No problem!' Take it and enjoy'!
read this post and the replies (similar situation)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2011, 11:08:30 AM »
I did read in the Business Halacha Publication that you are not allowed to buy if you have intention to return, even if the store has no problem with it.

I am not saying the Halacha - Just what I read

Also there could be a Chilul Hashem by doing this in a store thats near/in a Jewish community.

I used buy and return... Now not rly anymore...

I do have bestbuy silver - I get a 45 Days return on anything (even computers)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2011, 11:27:53 AM »
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wud u buy and return if needed?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2011, 11:34:17 AM »
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wud u buy and return if needed?

If I really need something... I'd think twice

But there really isnt anything that I would need to borrow. I could either borrow for someone, or... Just buy it

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2011, 01:24:32 PM »
I think nowdays stores know that ppl do that so it might be ok.
I don't see how 'knoweldge' legitimizes it. If 7-11 knows people drink slurpees behind the counter, does that make it ok?
From the Halchich perspective, the purchase is final, they are letting you return it if it doesn't fit or you changed your mind... Not if you bought it All Daas Hachi.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2012, 03:41:18 PM »
I don't see how 'knoweldge' legitimizes it. If 7-11 knows people drink slurpees behind the counter, does that make it ok?
From the Halchich perspective, the purchase is final, they are letting you return it if it doesn't fit or you changed your mind... Not if you bought it All Daas Hachi.

Not too knowledgeable in the subject but my understanding is as follows:

When a company knows that something is going on that they have the right to object to and they don't they are in essence being mochel.

They don't need to actually put a stop to the problem (sometimes it's not possible) but they should raise an objection (make a macha'a).

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2012, 06:39:19 PM »
Here's a new shaila.  Sometimes companies send out special promotional codes to loyal customers - or for some other reason.  People then go and post those codes on the web for everyone to use.  If you don't "deserve" that promotion should it still be mutar for you to use it?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2012, 06:41:14 PM »
Here's a new shaila.  Sometimes companies send out special promotional codes to loyal customers - or for some other reason.  People then go and post those codes on the web for everyone to use.  If you don't "deserve" that promotion should it still be mutar for you to use it?
that might belong there, no? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12784.0

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2012, 06:45:29 PM »
that might belong there, no? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12784.0
ethical and halachic are different, he wants to know halachicly

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2012, 06:48:47 PM »
ethical and halachic are different, he wants to know halachicly
i dont think that question has any halchick side to it. i think its a matter of ethical or not. - why, do u think its considered stealing?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2012, 06:51:51 PM »
do u think its considered stealing?
i think thats what he is asking, is it halachicly stealing?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2012, 06:55:41 PM »
i think thats what he is asking, is it halachicly stealing?
i dont think anyone would consider it stealing. i may be wrong though.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2012, 09:04:47 PM »
i dont think anyone would consider it stealing. i may be wrong though.
I don't know.  I would think that quite possibly if they are offering a special discount as hakaras hatov and you apply it even though it wasn't meant for you that might be stealing.  You feel differently?   Recently there was a way to get magazines for free.  If i understood correctly it was a code that was specifically given to teachers but then got leaked.  Why should anyone who was not given the code and didn't earn it be allowed to use it? 

I'm not judging others, I'm just asking.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2012, 07:38:20 AM »
Is it mutar to diet?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2012, 09:55:57 AM »
Is it mutar to diet?

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wow i guess there are things that you wouldnt think that have a halacha side to it!

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2012, 06:14:03 PM »
wow i guess there are things that you wouldnt think that have a halacha side to it!
I just found out that the person who asked the shaila was about 10 at the time. Look how R' Moshe addressed him
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teffia Questions
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2012, 09:36:33 PM »
I just found out that the person who asked the shaila was about 10 at the time. Look how R' Moshe addressed him

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