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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions  (Read 1366218 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6700 on: May 15, 2025, 12:30:54 AM »
Does this need tevila?
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Does not require tevilah at all according to most opinions.

(Btw this belongs in the tevilas kelim thread.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=139258.msg2927283#msg2927283 )

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6701 on: May 15, 2025, 11:34:42 AM »
Does not require tevilah at all according to most opinions.

(Btw this belongs in the tevilas kelim thread.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=139258.msg2927283#msg2927283 )
Thanks!

Forgot about that one.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6702 on: May 18, 2025, 02:47:49 AM »
It doesn’t really matter if there is wheat flour in there. That alone can’t decide the bracha it depends on the percentage of the wheat flour in there. (From what I remember learning think it was about the la-hit specifically that the amount of wheat flour in there changes very often) additionally there is a Shaila regarding the way the flour is used since it isn’t really mixed with water to form a traditional sort of dough mixture rather mixed into the chocolate through some other process (has hafrashas challah ramifications as well…) and lastly it does contain rice flour so depending if you make a mezonos on rice that could possibly have a affect on what bracha to make….
I presume that these chocolate bars are created by first baking a hollow wafer and then filling/infusing/covering it with chocolate. (that's how you get a crunchy wafer in the middle ;D). (If you want to correct me with yedia berura with the exact process, beseder, but until then I think that it is a fair presumption based on the full ingredient list - Nogat filling, chocolate covering, wafer made from wheat and rice flour mixed with water, sugar, milk powder, cocoa powder etc... i.e. a chocolate flavored wafer)
So you have a sweet wafer, rov flour is wheat, that then gets covered and filled....
A. Why would the bracha on said wafer not be Mezonos?
B. why would covering/filling it change the bracha?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6703 on: May 18, 2025, 04:10:44 AM »
I presume that these chocolate bars are created by first baking a hollow wafer and then filling/infusing/covering it with chocolate. (that's how you get a crunchy wafer in the middle ;D). (If you want to correct me with yedia berura with the exact process, beseder, but until then I think that it is a fair presumption based on the full ingredient list - Nogat filling, chocolate covering, wafer made from wheat and rice flour mixed with water, sugar, milk powder, cocoa powder etc... i.e. a chocolate flavored wafer)
So you have a sweet wafer, rov flour is wheat, that then gets covered and filled....
A. Why would the bracha on said wafer not be Mezonos?
B. why would covering/filling it change the bracha?


From what I remember learning think it was about the la-hit specifically

Looked it up.
 I was referring to what I saw in this Sefer, take a look.


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6704 on: May 29, 2025, 05:58:45 PM »
Why do many people as chazzan end the paragraph after שמע by saying לְדֹר וָדֹר הוּא קַיָּם וּשְׁמוֹ קַיָּם וְכִסְאוֹ נָכוֹן וּמַלְכוּתוֹ וֶאֱמוּנָתוֹ לָעַד קַיָּֽמֶת
and continue quietly through עַל־הָרִאשׁוֹנִים וְעַל־הָאַחֲרוֹנִים and then end that paragraph out loud?
If that is the correct paragraph ending, why is it set up differently in the siddur?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6705 on: May 29, 2025, 09:56:30 PM »
Why do many people as chazzan end the paragraph after שמע by saying לְדֹר וָדֹר הוּא קַיָּם וּשְׁמוֹ קַיָּם וְכִסְאוֹ נָכוֹן וּמַלְכוּתוֹ וֶאֱמוּנָתוֹ לָעַד קַיָּֽמֶת
and continue quietly through עַל־הָרִאשׁוֹנִים וְעַל־הָאַחֲרוֹנִים and then end that paragraph out loud?
If that is the correct paragraph ending, why is it set up differently in the siddur?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6706 on: May 29, 2025, 11:55:20 PM »
Artscroll Ashkenaz siddur:

Yes, that is the question. They say out loud from לדר ודר until לעד קימת and then the rest of the paragraph quietly. That seems to mean that the paragraph ends at לעד קימת. So why does the siddur have the paragraph continue until זרע ישראל עבדיך?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6707 on: May 30, 2025, 12:12:34 AM »
Yes, that is the question. They say out loud from לדר ודר until לעד קימת and then the rest of the paragraph quietly. That seems to mean that the paragraph ends at לעד קימת. So why does the siddur have the paragraph continue until זרע ישראל עבדיך?

Don't ask on the siddur, ask those people why they do it. Personally I've never heard that.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6708 on: May 30, 2025, 08:37:37 AM »
Why do many people as chazzan end the paragraph after שמע by saying לְדֹר וָדֹר הוּא קַיָּם וּשְׁמוֹ קַיָּם וְכִסְאוֹ נָכוֹן וּמַלְכוּתוֹ וֶאֱמוּנָתוֹ לָעַד קַיָּֽמֶת
and continue quietly through עַל־הָרִאשׁוֹנִים וְעַל־הָאַחֲרוֹנִים and then end that paragraph out loud?
If that is the correct paragraph ending, why is it set up differently in the siddur?

What makes you think the bracha is split into paragraphs?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6709 on: May 30, 2025, 02:38:47 PM »
Don't ask on the siddur, ask those people why they do it. Personally I've never heard that.
What have you heard the chazzan say? Does he start from לדור ודור הוא קים and say out loud until זרע ישראל עבדיך?

What makes you think the bracha is split into paragraphs?
Most siddurim have it split into paragraphs. And the chazzan does end off the "paragraphs" and not just at the end of the bracha.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6710 on: May 30, 2025, 03:56:05 PM »
What have you heard the chazzan say? Does he start from לדור ודור הוא קים and say out loud until זרע ישראל עבדיך?


Nope, just פּוֹדֵֽנוּ וּמַצִּילֵֽנוּ מֵעוֹלָם הוּא שְׁמֶֽךָ וְאֵין לָֽנוּ עוֹד אֱלֹהִים זוּלָתֶֽךָ סֶֽלָה

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6711 on: May 30, 2025, 04:10:59 PM »
Nope, just פּוֹדֵֽנוּ וּמַצִּילֵֽנוּ מֵעוֹלָם הוּא שְׁמֶֽךָ וְאֵין לָֽנוּ עוֹד אֱלֹהִים זוּלָתֶֽךָ סֶֽלָה
Straight through from אמת?
so according to that way, why is there a new paragraph at על הראשונים?
And that seems different than the siddur pic above that has the four dotted diamond, indicating chazzan, by לדור ודור הוא קים.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6712 on: May 30, 2025, 04:35:24 PM »
Straight through from אמת?

No, just those words.


so according to that way, why is there a new paragraph at על הראשונים?

Good question. IDK

And that seems different than the siddur pic above that has the four dotted diamond, indicating chazzan, by לדור ודור הוא קים.

No idea what's the purpose of the diamond dots, but why do you assume it's code indications for the chazzan?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6713 on: May 30, 2025, 04:40:49 PM »


why is there a new paragraph at על הראשונים?


A printer put out there to make it easier to follow.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6714 on: May 30, 2025, 05:52:43 PM »

No idea what's the purpose of the diamond dots, but why do you assume it's code indications for the chazzan?

Because that's the symbol that Artscroll uses to indicate where the chazzan should start. It's standard across their siddurim.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6715 on: June 01, 2025, 12:30:52 AM »
An analog meat thermometer on yom tov should be permitted like MB 504:22, right?
It's def pretty standard at this point to use a meat thermometer



(Modern analog meat thermometers dont use mercury/liquid)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6716 on: June 01, 2025, 12:35:43 AM »
An analog meat thermometer on yom tov should be permitted like MB 504:22, right?
It's def pretty standard at this point to use a meat thermometer



(Modern analog meat thermometers dont use mercury/liquid)
https://asktherav.com/17114-can-i-use-a-non-electric-thermometer-on-yom-tov-to-measure-the-tenderness-of-meat/

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6717 on: June 01, 2025, 12:45:14 AM »
https://asktherav.com/17114-can-i-use-a-non-electric-thermometer-on-yom-tov-to-measure-the-tenderness-of-meat/
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6718 on: June 01, 2025, 01:11:01 AM »
I came out that it was fine but didn't remember the sources. The one I was going to use does not have numbers but rather sections for rare, medium, well but my recollection is that it didn't depend on that. I don't think it is totally clear that temperature is an issue in the first place.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions
« Reply #6719 on: June 01, 2025, 02:54:33 AM »

A printer put out there to make it easier to follow.
This was my assumption.
However, I saw תוס' ד"ה והטוב in :ברכות מו and תוס' ד"ה חוץ in :פסחים קד are bothered by the paragraph break in the first ברכה after הפטרה and needed an explanation. So I was wondering that perhaps there is a better explanation for the paragraph break here as well.