All Halocha Shailos and Tefilla Questions

[BESED]

ArtScroll digital siddur: ( note the indicator was placed before על אבותינו…).

[yfr bachur]

Note how when they have it as one long paragraph they also have it as kyemes with a segol as opposed to the more common kyomes with a komatz.

It's this way in עליות אליהו. (Rav lopiansky's siddur)

[yfr bachur]

ArtScroll digital siddur: ( note the indicator was placed before על אבותינו…).

The better question is: What mekoros did artscroll use for things like this, if any?

It's really unfortunate that they don't footnote sources better.

[avromie7]

ArtScroll digital siddur: ( note the indicator was placed before על אבותינו…).

I noticed that as well, and assumed the typesetting was copied from the Sefard siddur. I didn't come across a Wasserman siddur which the digital siddur is based on to see what they have there.

[yfr bachur]

I noticed that as well, and assumed the typesetting was copied from the Sefard siddur. I didn't come across a Wasserman siddur which the digital siddur is based on to see what they have there.

are the differences sfard/ashkenaz or by year or edition?

[yungermanchik]

Ashkenaz Artscroll Siddurim have been primarily based on the Tikkun Meir Siddur except for (sometimes) when they had clear reasons to change.

[avromie7]

are the differences sfard/ashkenaz or by year or edition?

Sefard always has it by Al Avoseinu. I don't know if there are differences in the ashkenaz siddurim.

[yfr bachur]

Ashkenaz Artscroll Siddurim have been primarily based on the Tikkun Meir Siddur except for (sometimes) when they had clear reasons to change.

Someone has access to the מבוא or the like from that siddur?

[imayid2]

I spent most of shevuos night going down this rabbit hole. From the mekoros in the gemara/yerushalmi etc through the rishonim meforshei hasiddur, through modern day prints.

It's pretty clear from many of the rishonim that from Emes veyatziv through Zulachecha (selah) is one long piece. From the taamim they give for the amount of words etc...

The only explanation I could find is a footnote in the siddur אזור אליהו. (It's a siddur focused on accurate nussach hagra, they did a deep dive on clarifying which exact nussach the gra was amending when he made his corrections to the siddur, been through like 17 editions at this point, constantly adding and fixing as they get more things clearer). He writes (I'm paraphrasing from Hebrew) that all old siddurim (this means pre like 300+ years ago) printed it as one long long piece until zulasecha. Why did more modern publishers start to print it separately? (He presumes that) This is due to the piyutim called zulos. These are piyutim inserted between emes veyatziv (zulasecha) and ezras. some of these piyutim modify the end of emes veyatziv as a lead in to the piyut. The printers started making a break in the middle of the tefila so that on those shabbasos/yomim tovim that zulasos were said a person would know at which point there start to be changes.  Otherwise there is no significance to the "paragraph change" at "al harishonim".

Noted here as well:

https://www.kramim.info/article/%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%93%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%95-%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95-%D7%94%D7%96%D7%A7%D7%9F-%D7%A0%D7%A2-%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A7%D7%99-%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8-%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%94/53916158

    [כט] בתפילת שחרית, הנה בסידור תהלת-ה' התיבות "זרע ישראל עבדיך" חותמות את הקטע, ואחריהן נפתח קטע חדש: "על הראשונים".

            אבל בסידורים הישנים אין שם קטע חדש כלל, ובסידור תו"א (ובסידור קאפוסט תקע"ו) אין אפילו הפסק נקודה כלשהי בין "עבדיך" ל"על הראשונים" (כך נהג גם רבינו זי"ע בעברו לפני התיבה, שלא סיים בקול את התיבות "זרע ישראל עבדיך").

            גם בסידור שממנו הדפיסו את הסידור דרוסטוב נחלק המשפט לשני קטעים, אך מכיון שמבחינה טכנית לא ניתן היה לחבר את הקטעים לאחד, נאלצו מדפיסי הסידור דרוסטוב להסתפק במחיקת סימן ההפסק (שתי נקודות) שבסוף הקטע הראשון, הן בתפילת החול והן בתפילת השבת.

            הסיבה לפתיחת הקטע החדש נובעת ממנהג אשכנז קדום, שבו היה נוסח רגיל של "על הראשונים", ונוסח שונה במקצת לשבתות שנהגו לומר בהן פיוטי "זולת". בסידורים נדפסו שני הנוסחים זה לצד זה, וכרגיל במקרים כאלו נפתח כל אחד מהם ב"אותיות רבתי". אחר-כך נשתקע המנהג המקורי, ונשאר רק ה"מנהג" להדפיס את התיבות "על הראשונים" באותיות גדולות וכקטע חדש.

            וכגון זה נהגו להדפיס את המלה "ותחזינה" (עינינו בשובך לציון) באותיות גדולות, היות ונוצר שם קטע חדש אחרי "יעלה ויבוא". אך "מנהג" זה כיון דעל על, והחלו מדפיסים "ותחזינה" באותיות רבתי גם בתפילות המועדים והמוספין, אף שאין שם כל ענין חדש והוא המשך ישיר ל"רצה".

            יתכן וגם פתיחת קטע חדש במלים "מי כמוכה" שבתפילת ערבית, נובע מפיוט ה"מערבית" שהיה נאמר במקום זה.

[imayid2]

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הלכות ומנהגי בית הכנסת הנהוגים בישיבת בית מדרש גבוה לייקוואוד

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ואין אלקים זולתך

Problem with these types of seforim, they immortalize every mistake as holy when it should be abolished and fixed.

[yitzgar]

Problem with these types of seforim, they immortalize every mistake as holy when it should be abolished and fixed.

This is a pet peeve of mine as well

[yfr bachur]

Problem with these types of seforim, they immortalize every mistake as holy when it should be abolished and fixed.

Reminds me of the conversation between a rebbe and RY (If I remember correctly, it was Reb Yoelish and Reb Aharon but I'm probably mistaken)
Rebbe tells RY - It's much better to be a RY than a Rebbe. Bec if I make a mistake in davening, it becomes the kadosh vetahor kavanos in the olamos hoelyonim special nussach of the rebbe leolami olamim, If you make a mistake, after davening you have a line of people waiting for you to explain to you that you are wrong.

[a mirrer]

Interestingly, I was in a seforim store yesterday and opened up this years Yerushosinu, and saw that it has a long piece on the varying nuschaos of Emes Veyatziv when Zulos are said.

Also someone pointed out to me the incongruous paragraph change in the middle of a pasuk!!! in Vayevarech David, which is also due to a forgotten minhag.

IINM belze still has the minhag of doing chazzan and then kahal for vcharos when there is a bris

[aygart]

IINM belze still has the minhag of doing chazzan and then kahal for vcharos when there is a bris

The original Artscroll Hebrew only sidder actually had it split up that way

[yelped]

IINM belze still has the minhag of doing chazzan and then kahal for vcharos when there is a bris

Belz? I had no clue it's not universal.

[Alexsei]

Is there an issue buying from these ebay listings?

[Sammy82]

Is there a problem of reading/watching news on Friday afternoon (in USA)if the source of it is likely michalel shabbos sharing it? Ie if us here in the US are getting realtime (or almost realtime) info regarding things happening in EY and the middle east. Very likely the reporter is Jewish.

[king solomon]

Is this an issue od shlish haelyon?

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/photos-said-to-be-the-largest-mezuzah-here-in-new-jersey/

[BESED]

Is this an issue od shlish haelyon?

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/photos-said-to-be-the-largest-mezuzah-here-in-new-jersey/

Don’t know the specifics, but might very well be a case of פתח גבוה that you go with כנגד כתיפיו.

[king solomon]

Don’t know the specifics, but might very well be a case of פתח גבוה that you go with כנגד כתיפיו.

You’re prob right now that I look at it more closely.