All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions

[Menachem613]

Do you need to give maser on what you make selling points?

What does the Gemara say in general about the Chiyuv of Maaser Kesofim?

[dealfinder85]

What does the Gemara say in general about the Chiyuv of Maaser Kesofim?

that you have to give for points sold

[avromie7]

Do you need to give maser on what you make selling points?

If the points were earned for spending then it's just a discount but if it's a signup bonus or MS then it's income

[avadah]

If the points were earned for spending then it's just a discount but if it's a signup bonus or MS then it's income

I don't understand what you mean.

[avromie7]

I don't understand what you mean.

if you go into staples and buy a $700 computer on sale for $300 you saved $400, you do not need to give maaser on the $400. Points that you get for regular purchases are just like a sale and you do not need to give maaser on them but if you got the points a different way for free like with MS or if it's a signup bonus then it is not saving money it is making money and therefore maaser is required

[Sport]

if you go into staples and buy a $700 computer on sale for $300 you saved $400, you do not need to give maaser on the $400. Points that you get for regular purchases are just like a sale and you do not need to give maaser on them but if you got the points a different way for free like with MS or if it's a signup bonus then it is not saving money it is making money and therefore maaser is required

Who says it's a sale or a rebate?

[avromie7]

Who says it's a sale or a rebate?

You can ask your LOR about it, I asked mine

[Sport]

You can ask your LOR about it, I asked mine

Did he explain how it's considered a sale?

[avromie7]

Did he explain how it's considered a sale?

because in essence it is a technique to save money on a product you are buying because before it cost you $300 now it costs you $300-$20 that you get back, it's directly tied to your purchase making your purchase price $280

[doodle]

yes , but you sold it for the going rate , not their intended use ,
in their intended use its worth  less ...

[avromie7]

yes , but you sold it for the going rate , not their intended use ,
in their intended use its worth  less ...

doesn't make a difference and the proof is that when you buy something one of the things going thru your mind is i can sell the points for $xx so that is the amount saved what they want you to do with it makes no difference and the T&C have no bearing over these halachos

[skyguy918]

doesn't make a difference and the proof is that when you buy something one of the things going thru your mind is i can sell the points for $xx so that is the amount saved what they want you to do with it makes no difference and the T&C have no bearing over these halachos

I don't disagree with you, but how in the world is that a proof? What about the vast majority of people (not on this forum) who don't have that running through their minds?

[avromie7]

I don't disagree with you, but how in the world is that a proof? What about the vast majority of people (not on this forum) who don't have that running through their minds?

Most people do but it really doesn't make a difference the same way if you get discount on your purchase that you didn't know about or better yet if you get a rebate at the and of your purchase that you didn't know about it's part of the discount even if you didn't realize it right away

[skyguy918]

Most people do but it really doesn't make a difference the same way if you get discount on your purchase that you didn't know about or better yet if you get a rebate at the and of your purchase that you didn't know about it's part of the discount even if you didn't realize it right away

Like I said, I don't disagree with you, but it's absolutely not a proof whether some (or even all) people think about the points they're earning when they make purchases.

[dans fan]

yes , but you sold it for the going rate , not their intended use ,
in their intended use its worth  less ...

what does that have to do with what he said

If the points were earned for spending then it's just a discount

-1, if your employer tells you he will give you a raise if you buy lots of vegetables than you still have to give masser from the raise , its possible that if you would not buy the product otherwise one can say your svara, but in almost all circumstances the 1.5 percent you get back with points would not make ppl but the product

[avromie7]

what does that have to do with what he said-1, if your employer tells you he will give you a raise if you buy lots of vegetables than you still have to give masser from the raise , its possible that if you would not buy the product otherwise one can say your svara, but in almost all circumstances the 1.5 percent you get back with points would not make ppl but the product

I asked my LOR and that's what he said if yours says otherwise by all means give maaser on the money

[dans fan]

I asked my LOR and that's what he said if yours says otherwise by all means give maaser on the money

ask him why it would be different, they are just paying you for using a cc its like a job, maybe your lor will change his mind

[avromie7]

ask him why it would be different, they are just paying you for using a cc its like a job, maybe your lor will change his mind

it's very different it's like a rebate not a job and my LOR doesn't just change his mind like that he is extremely knowledgeable in all halachos and reality i've asked him and seen others ask him questions about anything and in a second he'll explain all the halachos and the facts behind it

[dans fan]

no its def not like a rebate, first of all many would not buy if not for the rebate, second here you are buying a product the cc comp tell you if you use a certain form of payment they wil pay you 1.5 percent of the payment, thats a job not a rebate

[dealfinder85]

no its def not like a rebate, first of all many would not buy if not for the rebate, second here you are buying a product the cc comp tell you if you use a certain form of payment they wil pay you 1.5 percent of the payment, thats a job not a rebate

When I buy more expensive gas  by paying with cc bc my freedom makes it come out cheaper, I have to pay mayser on the savings? No way