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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950890 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #680 on: July 10, 2015, 12:15:47 AM »
     When you have a bottle of (not mevushal) grape juice laying around in your refrigerator and your non-Jewish cleaning lady moves it from one side to another, isn't that considered touched? So what does it help in this case when it is touched through a machine. I know that Kedem only has Jewish truck drivers, although the drivers never get anywhere near touching any of the contents in their tanker vehicles.
how is it touched through the machine?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #681 on: July 10, 2015, 12:16:56 AM »
how is it touched through the machine?
Non-Jews operating the machinery. No different than through a bottle.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #682 on: July 10, 2015, 12:19:04 AM »
Non-Jews operating the machinery. No different than through a bottle.
It is so far removed.

Also, arvach arva tzorich
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #683 on: July 10, 2015, 12:21:17 AM »
It is so far removed.
Says who?
Also, arvach arva tzorich
Point being?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #684 on: July 10, 2015, 12:22:56 AM »
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #685 on: July 10, 2015, 12:23:58 AM »
how is it touched through the machine?
You're familiar with the whole process? What it looks like? You're just being contrary. I hope you don't really drink Welch's and you're just trolling.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #686 on: July 10, 2015, 12:24:48 AM »
Huh
A. Who said it is far?
B. What do you mean to bring out with the arvach arva tzorich?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #687 on: July 10, 2015, 12:27:41 AM »
You're familiar with the whole process? What it looks like? You're just being contrary. I hope you don't really drink Welch's and you're just trolling.
No I don't drink grape juice with no hechsher, but I am not trolling. I am intrigued by his reasoning and would love a clear answer why it is wrong besides the pasteurizer itself. Yes I have seen juice production and bottling. What I saw also leads me to believe that this person is ignorant.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #688 on: July 10, 2015, 12:29:51 AM »
No I don't drink grape juice with no hechsher, but I am not trolling. I am intrigued by his reasoning and would love a clear answer why it is wrong besides the pasteurizer itself.
You were the one to mention another very valid reason before.
how does he guarantee that the pasteurizer is kosher? It could have been used for many things like clam or meat soups etc.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #689 on: July 10, 2015, 12:30:34 AM »
A. Who said it is far?
B. What do you mean to bring out with the arvach arva tzorich?
You said a svara to compare the two cases on which I asked that

1. They are not comparable
2. The case you are comparing it to is in itself at best not so simple
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #690 on: July 10, 2015, 12:32:00 AM »
You were the one to mention another very valid reason before.
Keyword "besides"

If it is only that then it is not so difficult to do research
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #691 on: July 10, 2015, 12:34:52 AM »
You said a svara to compare the two cases on which I asked that

1. They are not comparable
2. The case you are comparing it to is in itself at best not so simple
     Got it. And I agree that they are not 100% comparable, but there still is some similarity between the two to, at least, raise kashrus doubts.
1. Both are being touched/operated distantly by non-Jews.
2. It is a very accepted minhag not to use GJ in that case.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #692 on: July 10, 2015, 12:37:25 AM »


2. It is a very accepted minhag not to use GJ in that case.
Many people buy sealed not mevushal wins and grape juice in non Jewish stores.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #693 on: July 10, 2015, 12:39:26 AM »
Keyword "besides"

If it is only that then it is not so difficult to do research
Sorry, I thought you meant besides for the yayin nesech shailah in the pasteurizer.
In any case, we may not know which additives they add in to the recipe in those companies. An ingredient that is less than 2% doesn't have to be reported legally.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #694 on: July 10, 2015, 12:40:27 AM »
Many people buy sealed not mevushal wins and grape juice in non Jewish stores.
Pasteurizer is considered sealed?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #695 on: July 10, 2015, 12:41:22 AM »


Sorry, I thought you meant besides for the yayin nesech shailah in the pasteurizer.
In any case, we may not know which additives they add in to the recipe in those companies. An ingredient that is less than 2% doesn't have to be reported legally.

If there is no issue with the juice there us no issue with the equivalent equipment.

2% is a myth
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #696 on: July 10, 2015, 12:42:07 AM »
Pasteurizer is considered sealed?
It is more sealed than a bottle
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #697 on: July 10, 2015, 12:42:40 AM »

If there is no issue with the juice there us no issue with the equivalent equipment.
...other than that which you mentioned above...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #698 on: July 10, 2015, 12:43:16 AM »
...other than that which you mentioned above...
Which is not yayin nesech
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #699 on: July 10, 2015, 12:43:26 AM »
Interestingly, this conversation is going in circles, as there is a shailah whether wine with sugar added can become nesech, due to it not being rauy lamizbeach. Lichstchila we are machmir...


Additionally (halachicly and) legally there is a difference if the sugar is added before and to aid the fermentation or whether its added after. I think i recall that sugar added b4 fermentation becomes 'wine' and can be labeled no sugar added.
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