All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions

[dovy2]

Not sure if this is a Chabad thing or not but some people are Makpid to pay for their Arba Minin before Yom Kippur.

The question is what is the Hakpadah? That you should have paid for the Arba Minim before Yom Kippur or that the dealer be paid before Yom Kippur?

The Nafka Mina is regarding paying with a credit card.

it's all about adding in zecusim before YK. Makes no difference about paying...

[yochiek93]

it's all about adding in zecusim before YK. Makes no difference about paying...

+1

[Achas Veachas]

it's all about adding in zecusim before YK. Makes no difference about paying...

Pretty sure I saw that the Rabeim were Makpid to pay before YK (IINM I saw it in Reshimas), I'll try to look it up when I get home after our DO tonight...

[Ydad]

This is all very interesting to me. Were I come from there's an inyan not to buy daled minim or build a sukah till after y.k. Supposed to be too busy with teshuva and yom Kippur preps.

[Achas Veachas]

Some people say Aderaba, before YK we want as many zechusim as we can get.

[churnbabychurn]

Pretty sure I saw that the Rabeim were Makpid to pay before YK (IINM I saw it in Reshimas), I'll try to look it up when I get home after our DO tonight...

There is an inyan to make sure all ones finances are in order before yk. למען נחדל מעושק ידינו

Iirc the MB may bring this down.

[thaber]

Any thoughts on a ceiling fan in the sukkah?

[Cheesecake]

Any thoughts on a ceiling fan in the sukkah?

I assume you light candles in the house.

[aygart]

I assume you light candles in the house.

Why is a fan worse than if you have a breeze as long as it is not directly under it? Neronim and the like should work.

[TimT]

Any thoughts on a ceiling fan in the sukkah?

Why would that be an issue halachically ?

[thaber]

Why would that be an issue halachically ?

Well,  it's lower than 4 tefachim and more than 4 tefachim across depending on how you measure. 

[thaber]

Why is a fan worse than if you have a breeze as long as it is not directly under it? Neronim and the like should work.

+1. Plenty of people have fans in their dining room

[churnbabychurn]

Well,  it's lower than 4 tefachim and more than 4 tefachim across depending on how you measure.

I would think that It has a din of sechach possul. - less than 3 sit under, more than 3 don't sit under.

Unless it's a very small succa and there is no shiur counting the place of the fan.

[skyguy918]

I would think that It has a din of sechach possul. - less than 3 sit under, more than 3 don't sit under.

Unless it's a very small succa and there is no shiur counting the place of the fan.

Position it above your table (which is probably the best spot anyway) and you can probably avoid any issues.

Any sukkah without a shiur remaining if you don't count under the fan is probably too small to safely have a fan anyway.

[thaber]

I would think that It has a din of sechach possul. - less than 3 sit under, more than 3 don't sit under.

Unless it's a very small succa and there is no shiur counting the place of the fan.

How about the rema at the end of 627?

[skyguy918]

How about the rema at the end of 627?

My solution works even with that Rama (see Mishna Berura there regarding candelabra/lighting). Of course this is all only where it's practical to put the fan above the table.

[thaber]

My solution works even with that Rama (see Mishna Berura there regarding candelabra/lighting). Of course this is all only where it's practical to put the fan above the table.

True.  My question now is,  was the mb's dispensation for candelabra only? He mentions fire danger as a big factor.

[Work-for-ur-muny]

Any thoughts on a ceiling fan in the sukkah?

Probably as long as you can time your chewing to be on a rhythm that you should only eat while the blades are not directly overhead? 

[skyguy918]

True.  My question now is,  was the mb's dispensation for candelabra only? He mentions fire danger as a big factor.

I think the fire issue was only to explain why less than 4 isn't a good option. But I believe the M"B is actually coming to say that the whole Rama is because of a chashash that you'll ultimately sit under noy sukkah that are 4 wide and more than 4 from the schach (which you for sure can't sit under). But something above the table has no such chashash, because you can't sit under it at all. IMH(non-rabbinic)O, that would include both lighting (even electric) and fans.

[Work-for-ur-muny]

I think the fire issue was only to explain why less than 4 isn't a good option. But I believe the M"B is actually coming to say that the whole Rama is because of a chashash that you'll ultimately sit under noy sukkah that are 4 wide and more than 4 from the schach (which you for sure can't sit under). But something above the table has no such chashash, because you can't sit under it at all. IMH(non-rabbinic)O, that would include both lighting (even electric) and fans.

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