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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950458 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #880 on: October 10, 2015, 10:43:32 PM »
שלחן ערוך סימן סט סעיף יב
בשר ששהה ג' ימים מעת לעת בלא מליחה -- נתייבש דמו בתוכו ולא יצא עוד על ידי מליחה ואין לאוכלו מבושל אלא צלי. ואחר שצלאו לא יבשלנו. ואם בישלו -- מותר.
I'm talking toch 3.

It's a simple question. What is the shiur tzli that is matir without melicha?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #881 on: October 10, 2015, 11:45:16 PM »
In the books it says until it's dry

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #882 on: October 11, 2015, 12:01:53 AM »
In the books it says until it's dry
That sounds VERY well done..

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #883 on: October 11, 2015, 01:08:35 AM »
If I'm not mistaken: officially it needs to be ראוי לאכילה which means half way (some say 2/3) done. However since we are not בקיא in this, therefore it needs to be roasted until it is dry on the outside with no juice running out

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #884 on: October 11, 2015, 01:18:42 AM »

It's a simple question. What is the shiur tzli that is matir without melicha?

In the books it says until it's dry
The simple answer is either edible or until the OUTSIDE is dry. meaning, IIUC, rare is fine. Keep in mind that roasting without melicha is only an option when you don't have salt, or when salt won't help (i.e. liver)
mareh mekomos - YD 69:21 and taz there; 73:1 and shach, 76:2 in Rema he says 50% cooked, and see 76:6

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #885 on: October 11, 2015, 01:19:17 AM »
with no juice running out
masmaos of 76:6 is not like this

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #886 on: October 11, 2015, 10:38:57 AM »
The simple answer is either edible or until the OUTSIDE is dry. meaning, IIUC, rare is fine. Keep in mind that roasting without melicha is only an option when you don't have salt, or when salt won't help (i.e. liver)
mareh mekomos - YD 69:21 and taz there; 73:1 and shach, 76:2 in Rema he says 50% cooked, and see 76:6
Ty

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #887 on: October 11, 2015, 12:06:00 PM »
masmaos of 76:6 is not like this
מחבר סט, כא
"עד שיזוב כל דמו"
ט"ז ס"ק נד
"מפני שאין הנשים בקיאות בדבר נוהגים לתלות כ"כ עד שיתייבש מבחוץ"
So I guess when it dry on the outside that's considered no juice running out

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #888 on: October 11, 2015, 02:10:51 PM »
It seems that this dialogue will go on for so long until the three days from shechita will have passed already...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #889 on: October 11, 2015, 02:21:53 PM »
It seems that this dialogue will go on for so long until the three days from shechita will have passed already...
Nah. We're good. Put a fork in it.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #890 on: October 11, 2015, 02:31:54 PM »
Nah. We're good. Put a fork in it.
Then the juice will seep out, and the outside won't be dry anymore...  :(

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #891 on: October 11, 2015, 05:26:17 PM »
The simple answer is either edible or until the OUTSIDE is dry. meaning, IIUC, rare is fine. Keep in mind that roasting without melicha is only an option when you don't have salt, or when salt won't help (i.e. liver)
mareh mekomos - YD 69:21 and taz there; 73:1 and shach, 76:2 in Rema he says 50% cooked, and see 76:6

Great answer!

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #892 on: October 12, 2015, 11:39:05 AM »
How many of you knew baby boy born via c-section on shabbos does not have a bris on shabbos.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #893 on: October 12, 2015, 11:50:03 AM »
How many of you knew baby boy born via c-section on shabbos does not have a bris on shabbos.
Why not?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #894 on: October 12, 2015, 11:58:01 AM »
How many of you knew baby boy born via c-section on shabbos does not have a bris on shabbos.
That's correct.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #895 on: October 12, 2015, 12:04:31 PM »
How many of you knew baby boy born via c-section on shabbos does not have a bris on shabbos.
I know. A friend of mine's son.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #896 on: October 12, 2015, 12:05:51 PM »
Why not?
Not considered a proper leida, and therefore not doche shabbos. (I think)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #897 on: October 12, 2015, 12:08:57 PM »
Not considered a proper leida, and therefore not doche shabbos. (I think)
doesnt have tumas leida and therefore not doche shabbos

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #898 on: October 12, 2015, 12:11:56 PM »
Not considered a proper leida, and therefore not doche shabbos. (I think)
Interesting, I knew that they don't have a Pidyon Haben since it's not considered "פטר רחם" (since the baby doesn't come out of the birth canal), never knew this though
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #899 on: October 12, 2015, 12:12:50 PM »
doesnt have tumas leida and therefore not doche shabbos
Why does Bris being Doche Shabbos have anything to do with Tumas Leida (asking to understand, not attacking)
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