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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950264 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1180 on: February 14, 2016, 03:07:48 PM »
Are you allowed to clip back together a metal bed frame as in this pic on shabbos?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1181 on: February 14, 2016, 07:33:06 PM »
If it has a clamp on any of the bars it would certainly be assur even if you don't use it.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1182 on: February 14, 2016, 08:28:05 PM »
מטה של פרקים
If it does fall into that category then you would be חייב חטאת for מכה בפטיש or possibly בנין כלי (even though we hold אין בנין בכילים)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1183 on: February 14, 2016, 08:31:23 PM »
מטה של פרקים אסור להחזירה ולהדקה ואם תקע חייב חטאת ואם היא (דרכה להיות) רפויה מותר לכתחלה (ובלבד שלא יהדק) וכוס של פרקים מותר לפרקו ולהחזירו בשבת ויש מי שאומר שדין הכוס כדין המטה:

הגה: ואם דרכו להיות מהודק אף על גב דעכשיו רפוי אסור (מיימוני פרק כ"ה והגהות אשירי וכל בו וכן נראה דברי הטור):
סעיף ז


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1184 on: February 14, 2016, 08:32:13 PM »
ספסל שנשמט אחד מרגליו אסור להחזירו למקומו. ולהניח אותו צד השמוט על ספסל אחר יש מי שמחמיר לאסור

(ועיין לעיל סימן ש"ח סעיף ט"ז):
סעיף ט

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1185 on: February 14, 2016, 08:33:42 PM »
מגן אברהם
(י) חייב חטאת:    משום שעושה כלי:

(יא) דרכה להיות רפויה:    ז"ל הכלבו בשם הראב"ד דברים שאין אדם מקפיד עליהם אם יתנענע בתוך החור מותר דאין לגזור אלא בדבר שצריך להיות מעמידה בדוחק אבל בסמ"ג איתא דדוקא דבר שצריך גבורה ואומנות אסור:

(יב) וכוס כו' מותר:    שאין דרך להדקו כ"כ (טור) ונ"ל דכוסו' שלנו העשוי' בחריצים סביב ומהודקים בחוזק לכ"ע אסור ול"ד לכיסוי הכלים שעשוים כך דהתם אין עשוים לקיום רק לפתחן ולסוגרן תמיד עיין סי' שי"ד ס"י וכתב ב"י דרפוי ואינו רפוי ג"כ אסור ומשמע מפשט הפוסקים דכל הכלים האלו שרי לטלטלן ולא גזרו אלא במנור' שדרכה להתפרק כמ"ש סוף סי' רע"ט וה"ה כל כיוצא בו אבל דבר שאין דרכו להתפרק שרי בטלטול:

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1186 on: February 14, 2016, 08:35:02 PM »
מטה של פרקים
If it does fall into that category then you would be חייב חטאת for מכה בפטיש or possibly בנין כלי (even though we hold אין בנין בכילים)
I doubt that those pegs in the holes are called tokiea
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1187 on: February 14, 2016, 09:22:33 PM »
I doubt that those pegs in the holes are called tokiea
+1

I am well aware about a mitah shel prokim..

The question is whether the connection in the picture - which is similar to a button in a hole (even less cuz it literally is purposely smaller than the hole untill u pull down etc.) Can be called tokea or not.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1188 on: February 14, 2016, 09:26:54 PM »
If it has a clamp on any of the bars it would certainly be assur even if you don't use it.
Clamp?
Someone picked up the box spring and the "button" slipped out of the hole. That's the question.


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1189 on: February 14, 2016, 09:31:59 PM »
+1

I am well aware about a mitah shel prokim..

The question is whether the connection in the picture - which is similar to a button in a hole (even less cuz it literally is purposely smaller than the hole untill u pull down etc.) Can be called tokea or not.
תקע is חייב חטאת. But  מהודק is still אסור and only דרכה להיות רפויה is מותר. (At least that's my understanding)
This would seem to be at least מהודק.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1190 on: February 14, 2016, 09:40:46 PM »
תקע is חייב חטאת. But  מהודק is still אסור and only דרכה להיות רפויה is מותר. (At least that's my understanding)
This would seem to be at least מהודק.
Is the definition of "tokah" inserting a peg into a hole? And then the discussion is how tight the hole is...

I wouldn't necessarily call this a peg into a hole. - the hole itself is not tight at all. When you pull it into the narrow part it is also still relatively loose and can easily slide out. - it is pulled tight by virtue of the fact that the box holds it in place, but on its own it almost has no kiyum.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1191 on: February 14, 2016, 09:53:59 PM »
Clamp?
Someone picked up the box spring and the "button" slipped out of the hole. That's the question.
Some have a clamp besides the button
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1192 on: February 14, 2016, 09:54:49 PM »
Is the definition of "tokah" inserting a peg into a hole? And then the discussion is how tight the hole is...

I wouldn't necessarily call this a peg into a hole. - the hole itself is not tight at all. When you pull it into the narrow part it is also still relatively loose and can easily slide out. - it is pulled tight by virtue of the fact that the box holds it in place, but on its own it almost has no kiyum.

Is this built like a carriage with an adjustable handle?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1193 on: February 14, 2016, 10:05:43 PM »
See bhl 315 d"h lichatchila on seif 5
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1194 on: February 14, 2016, 11:14:10 PM »
See bhl 315 d"h lichatchila on seif 5
He talking about opening up a folding bed. And chashash ohel. 
You saying that there is ohel here.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1195 on: February 14, 2016, 11:36:49 PM »
He talking about opening up a folding bed. And chashash ohel. 
You saying that there is ohel here.
It is not quite the folding need that we would think of. Your bed would be more of an issue of ohel even without walls since it is not meant to be temporary. He also discussed an issue of tircha in its assembly which would probably apply here as well. I need to look it over better.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1196 on: February 17, 2016, 12:43:28 AM »
I once heard that the reason we say shalom aleichem to 3 people by kiddush levana, is to let them know that you didn't mean them when you davened that your enemies should not be successful. If so, I was wondering, that in the event that someone is saying it by himself, he should not try to find 3 people to tell it to them. Can anyone confirm? TIA

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1197 on: February 17, 2016, 01:50:48 AM »
I once heard that the reason we say shalom aleichem to 3 people by kiddush levana, is to let them know that you didn't mean them when you davened that your enemies should not be successful. If so, I was wondering, that in the event that someone is saying it by himself, he should not try to find 3 people to tell it to them. Can anyone confirm? TIA
There are more reasons than that, I don't remember them off hand

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1198 on: February 17, 2016, 06:26:54 AM »
I once heard that the reason we say shalom aleichem to 3 people by kiddush levana, is to let them know that you didn't mean them when you davened that your enemies should not be successful. If so, I was wondering, that in the event that someone is saying it by himself, he should not try to find 3 people to tell it to them. Can anyone confirm? TIA
You can say it 3 times go one person

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1199 on: February 17, 2016, 09:04:45 AM »
So your saying that even if i'm by myself, I should still try to find 3(or 1) people to say it to?