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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 325750 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1245 on: March 03, 2016, 02:19:00 PM »
I must start by saying it shouldn't be in ring mode from the first place, and if one has a hard time remembering to turn it off beforehand then it may be a problem to ever have it on ring mode.
Now to the question of what to do when it does go off during davening. Whatever is the fastest way to turn it off, and cause the least disturbance for other mispalelim should be done. Al pi halacha, if the fastest way of removing the disturbance is by walking out with your phone in the middle of shmona esrie then that is what should be done.
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I remember a sign in Zichron Shneur Toronto-Rav Dovid Pam that if a child starts crying while the mother is in the middle of shmone esrei she is obligated to immediately bring the child outside instead of trying to quiet the child down while disturbing others.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1246 on: March 03, 2016, 03:46:18 PM »
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I remember a sign in Zichron Shneur Toronto-Rav Dovid Pam that if a child starts crying while the mother is in the middle of shmone esrei she is obligated to immediately bring the child outside instead of trying to quiet the child down while disturbing others.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1249 on: March 03, 2016, 06:21:57 PM »
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I remember a sign in Zichron Shneur Toronto-Rav Dovid Pam that if a child starts crying while the mother is in the middle of shmone esrei she is obligated to immediately bring the child outside instead of trying to quiet the child down while disturbing others.
Yes, the psak of the cell phone is based on this halacha.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1250 on: March 03, 2016, 11:45:27 PM »
Fundraiser an CC processors both take a cut from your donation.

The difference is obvious.

You can pay by check or cash and the organization would receive a 100% of your donation in contrast to if you decide to pay by credit card the organization is actually receiving less.


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1251 on: March 04, 2016, 12:15:25 AM »
The difference is obvious.

You can pay by check or cash and the organization would receive a 100% of your donation in contrast to if you decide to pay by credit card the organization is actually receiving less.
Correct, but l'halacha, is it considered I gave 10% maaser or ~7% cuz of CC processing?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1252 on: March 04, 2016, 12:45:11 AM »
the math is off as the 3% is of the maaser and not the gross.

for example, you sold some items that were lying around at home on ebay for 110 when your cost was only 10.

Profit is 100 and therefore maaser at 10% is 10.

If you would give the 10 in cash then no maaser balance.

However, if you pay the 10 using a cc, the organization will only receive 9.70 (less 3% of the 10 contribution), you may be only able to claim 9.70 you gave to maaser as you elected to pay using cc - which costs 30 cents of your contribution and will therefore now have a 30 cents maaser balance.

It would be interesting to hear a psak.


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1253 on: March 04, 2016, 12:53:04 AM »
the math is off as the 3% is of the maaser and not the gross.

for example, you sold some items that were lying around at home on ebay for 110 when your cost was only 10.

Profit is 100 and therefore maaser at 10% is 10.

If you would give the 10 in cash then no maaser balance.

However, if you pay the 10 using a cc, the organization will only receive 9.70 (less 3% of the 10 contribution), you may be only able to claim 9.70 you gave to maaser as you elected to pay using cc - which costs 30 cents of your contribution and will therefore now have a 30 cents maaser balance.

It would be interesting to hear a psak.
Oh, thanks for fixing that math for me... Would also really like a psak...
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1254 on: March 04, 2016, 01:03:29 AM »


the math is off as the 3% is of the maaser and not the gross.

for example, you sold some items that were lying around at home on ebay for 110 when your cost was only 10.

Profit is 100 and therefore maaser at 10% is 10.

If you would give the 10 in cash then no maaser balance.

However, if you pay the 10 using a cc, the organization will only receive 9.70 (less 3% of the 10 contribution), you may be only able to claim 9.70 you gave to maaser as you elected to pay using cc - which costs 30 cents of your contribution and will therefore now have a 30 cents maaser balance.

It would be interesting to hear a psak.

How about looking it this way:
Every organization has expenses besides the charity part, when you give them 10 they put 9.70 towards charity and .30 towards expenses
If it's looked this way you gave $10 tzedaka what they use it for doesn't change, same with cc processing

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1255 on: March 04, 2016, 01:14:24 AM »

How about looking it this way:
Every organization has expenses besides the charity part, when you give them 10 they put 9.70 towards charity and .30 towards expenses
If it's looked this way you gave $10 tzedaka what they use it for doesn't change, same with cc processing
Yes, but their expenses increased directly from your donation.  Were you to pay by check, that 3% fee would never occur.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1256 on: March 04, 2016, 02:07:42 AM »
Yes, but their expenses increased directly from your donation.  Were you to pay by check, that 3% fee would never occur.
I don't think your right. Read up thread.
Lets say a fundraiser comes to your door and collects for an institution. He is taking a nice percentage. Maybe you should tell him thank you for telling me about the institution I will pay them myself as I want 100% to go to the tzdaka. Furthermore, if you don't do that and actually give it to him,  do you have to call up to find out what percentage he gets and deduct that from what you supposedly gave to maaser?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1257 on: March 04, 2016, 08:41:51 AM »
I don't think your right. Read up thread.
Lets say a fundraiser comes to your door and collects for an institution. He is taking a nice percentage. Maybe you should tell him thank you for telling me about the institution I will pay them myself as I want 100% to go to the tzdaka. Furthermore, if you don't do that and actually give it to him,  do you have to call up to find out what percentage he gets and deduct that from what you supposedly gave to maaser?
I know; I was involved in that discussion.  I understand the logic, but this is what my Rov told me, what can I say.  At any rate, I am just explaining now why a CC expense is not the same as regular operating expenses.  I agree I don't understand why a fundraiser is different.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1258 on: March 04, 2016, 09:15:59 AM »
Yes, but their expenses increased directly from your donation.  Were you to pay by check, that 3% fee would never occur.

There are expenses to deal with cash and check too. They may not be as easily determined, but they are there. Some businesses prefer cc over check or cash.

 

It should also be noted 10% is not an absolute rule, its a strong guideline.

I would assume that your schar is based on the amount you give not on the amount received. 

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #1259 on: March 04, 2016, 09:18:04 AM »
There are expenses to deal with cash and check too. They may not be as easily determined, but they are there. Some businesses prefer cc over check or cash.

 

It should also be noted 10% is not an absolute rule, its a strong guideline.

I would assume that your schar is based on the amount you give not on the amount received.
What expenses are there with check or cash ? Businesses don't wanna take a check for fear it could bounce.