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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 951271 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2180 on: May 07, 2017, 12:02:40 PM »
In a non-ben-yomo pot, can one kasher meat silverware and then immediately after kasher dairy silverware?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2181 on: May 07, 2017, 12:17:08 PM »
In a non-ben-yomo pot, can one kasher meat silverware and then immediately after kasher dairy silverware?
Who said you can kasher meat or milk keilim?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2182 on: May 07, 2017, 12:20:05 PM »
Who said you can kasher meat or milk keilim?
Weird non-answer.

Anyone know the answer? I assume you have to change the water. How about the pot?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2183 on: May 07, 2017, 12:26:43 PM »
Weird non-answer.

Anyone know the answer? I assume you have to change the water. How about the pot?
It eliminates the question

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2184 on: May 07, 2017, 12:32:21 PM »
It eliminates the question
It's nonsense
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2185 on: May 07, 2017, 12:33:31 PM »
There are various minhagim regarding kashering to switch between milk and meat with many not allowing it at all other than when kashering anyhow between chometz and pesach. AYLOR.

In a case where one may kasher to make the switch, if all (pot and items being kashered) are aino ben yomo then there is no issue at all and no need to change the water. It is important to ensure that there is nothing in nicks and serrations which is often impossible. If there is that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis depending on the exact situation.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2186 on: May 07, 2017, 12:34:08 PM »
It's nonsense
Nonsense it is not.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2187 on: May 07, 2017, 12:36:51 PM »
There are various minhagim regarding kashering to switch between milk and meat with many not allowing it at all other than when kashering anyhow between chometz and pesach. AYLOR.

In a case where one may kasher to make the switch, if all (pot and items being kashered) are aino ben yomo then there is no issue at all and no need to change the water. It is important to ensure that there is nothing in nicks and serrations which is often impossible. If there is that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis depending on the exact situation.
Who said anything about switching between meat and milk?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2188 on: May 07, 2017, 12:38:16 PM »
Who said you can kasher meat or milk keilim?
there is a minhag brought down in the mg"a in Hilchos Yom tov not to kasher back and forth from milchig to fleishig, to prevent a mess up. Sephardic are not makpid and even Ashkenazim have several ways around this.
1. Kashering for Pareve use.
2. Treif it up first
3. Kashering for pesach
4. Buying from someone else

In all of these cases (based on different noisei keilim) one can kasher milchig and fleishig keilim.
Weird non-answer.

Anyone know the answer? I assume you have to change the water. How about the pot?

You don't have to switch the water since it's a n"t bar n"t. If one of the keilim is Aino ben yomo you can even kasher them at the same time.
Lechatchila you should not use the kashering water for any other food purposes since you should not be goirem a n"t bar n"t lechatchila (amoung other reasons)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2189 on: May 07, 2017, 12:39:03 PM »
Who said anything about switching between meat and milk?
That is the typical reason someone would wish to kasher milchig or fleishig utensils.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2190 on: May 07, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
That is the typical reason someone would wish to kasher milchig or fleishig utensils.
Not at all. Far more common to kasher a meat utensil that was used inadvertently with dairy and vice versa.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2191 on: May 07, 2017, 12:43:11 PM »


In all of these cases (based on different noisei keilim) one can kasher milchig and fleishig keilim.You don't have to switch the water since it's a n"t bar n"t. If one of the keilim is Aino ben yomo you can even kasher them at the same time.
Lechatchila you should not use the kashering water for any other food purposes since you should not be goirem a n"t bar n"t lechatchila (amoung other reasons)
That answers the question. Thanks.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2192 on: May 07, 2017, 12:43:35 PM »
Not at all. Far more common to kasher a meat utensil that was used inadvertently with dairy and vice versa.
then it would be treif and the minhag wouldn't apply

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2193 on: May 07, 2017, 12:48:33 PM »
then it would be treif and the minhag wouldn't apply
+1 And then has nothing to do with kashering milchig or fleishig.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2194 on: May 07, 2017, 12:51:39 PM »
there is a minhag brought down in the mg"a in Hilchos Yom tov not to kasher back and forth from milchig to fleishig, to prevent a mess up. Sephardic are not makpid and even Ashkenazim have several ways around this.
1. Kashering for Pareve use.
2. Treif it up first
3. Kashering for pesach
4. Buying from someone else

To make it treif can sometime be an issue of bishul basar bichalav. proceed with caution.

In general there are various minhagim about these options AYLOR

In all of these cases (based on different noisei keilim) one can kasher milchig and fleishig keilim.You don't have to switch the water since it's a n"t bar n"t. If one of the keilim is Aino ben yomo you can even kasher them at the same time.
Lechatchila you should not use the kashering water for any other food purposes since you should not be goirem a n"t bar n"t lechatchila (amoung other reasons)
-1
The Tur clearly states that it should be eino ben yomo between milk and meat. THe Taz limits that to lichatchila
If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo or batel.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2195 on: May 07, 2017, 01:12:27 PM »
To make it treif can sometime be an issue of bishul basar bichalav. proceed with caution.

In general there are various minhagim about these options AYLOR
-1
The Tur clearly states that it should be eino ben yomo between milk and meat. THe Taz limits that to lichatchila
If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo or batel.
I'm sure how what your saying contradicted my post.
If milchig and fleishig keilim together need to be ainoi ben yomo.
It it's treif it should be Aino ben yomo prior to Kashering. In both these Ta'am pagum is something that is referred as the 3rd n"t in siman צ"ה

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2196 on: May 07, 2017, 01:15:22 PM »
I'm sure how what your saying contradicted my post.
If milchig and fleishig keilim together need to be ainoi ben yomo.
It it's treif it should be Aino ben yomo prior to Kashering. In both these Ta'am pagum is something that is referred as the 3rd n"t in siman צ"ה
It needs to be eino ben yomo even if not done together.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2197 on: May 07, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »


If they were treif then they are not n't bar n't since it is isura and they need to be eino ben yomo.
Everything (pot and silverware) are not ben-yomo. So same water?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2198 on: May 07, 2017, 01:20:58 PM »
Everything (pot and silverware) are not ben-yomo. So same water?

yes but be careful about this.

It is important to ensure that there is nothing in nicks and serrations which is often impossible. If there is that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis depending on the exact situation.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2199 on: May 07, 2017, 01:24:03 PM »
+1 And then has nothing to do with kashering milchig or fleishig.
Exactly. These would not be defined as milchic or fleishik keilim.

Question is can I kasher treif bb"c together with treif bb"c? - Same thing.