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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 961783 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3000 on: March 26, 2018, 01:56:28 PM »
How long and how hot to blowtourch a sink?
depends on many variables.
Are trying to achieve yad soledes or Kash nisraf.... depends on the air temp...I recommend using a temperature indicator stick

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3001 on: March 26, 2018, 01:58:33 PM »
Since when does a sink need libun? Our rov said it doesnt even need a hot stone. Stainless sink that is. He said boiling water is enough if you are using an insert.
for someone proficient in handling a torchit is easier and neater

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3002 on: March 26, 2018, 02:01:29 PM »
depends on many variables.
Are trying to achieve yad soledes or Kash nisraf.... depends on the air temp...I recommend using a temperature indicator stick
Since when do those standards apply to a sink?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3003 on: March 26, 2018, 02:03:21 PM »
for someone proficient in handling a torchit is easier and neater
If you say so. I think the chance of damaging the seal on the drain, and the seal around the edges are greater with a torch, no matter the proficiency.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3004 on: March 26, 2018, 02:20:40 PM »
Since when do those standards apply to a sink?
Those are to be equivalent to hagala
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3005 on: March 26, 2018, 02:22:56 PM »
Since when does a sink need libun? Our rov said it doesnt even need a hot stone. Stainless sink that is. He said boiling water is enough if you are using an insert.
Why are you assuming that an insert is being used?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3006 on: March 26, 2018, 02:23:31 PM »
We do bleach and boiling water. But I believe it's an extra since we have the insert
You need to worry about the sink backing up.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3007 on: March 26, 2018, 02:28:59 PM »
You need to worry about the sink backing up.
If its bleached why?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3008 on: March 26, 2018, 02:31:27 PM »
If its bleached why?
Not if its bleached, but that is a reason why it is not just an extra.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3009 on: March 26, 2018, 02:34:38 PM »
Not if its bleached, but that is a reason why it is not just an extra.
Oh, correct. Our Rov also said if the drain in the insert and the drain itself are offset its not such an issue. But as a default of course you should kasher. How would you kasher that with a torch though? Still need bleach or hot water.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3010 on: March 26, 2018, 02:37:29 PM »
Oh, correct. Our Rov also said if the drain in the insert and the drain itself are offset its not such an issue. But as a default of course you should kasher. How would you kasher that with a torch though? Still need bleach or hot water.
For the drain, yes
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3011 on: March 26, 2018, 02:38:07 PM »
Not if its bleached, but that is a reason why it is not just an extra.
So bleach is necessary with an insert, more is extra?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3012 on: March 26, 2018, 02:41:21 PM »
So bleach is necessary with an insert, more is extra?
If you hold bleach is necessary (not sure anyone argues that it's not), it seems like it would be necessary no matter what - insert or no insert, hagala or libun.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3013 on: March 26, 2018, 04:02:24 PM »
depends on many variables.
Are trying to achieve yad soledes or Kash nisraf.... depends on the air temp...I recommend using a temperature indicator stick
How hot is Kash nisraf?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3014 on: March 26, 2018, 04:04:36 PM »
I personally am not able to do iruy on the vertical sides of the sink...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3015 on: March 26, 2018, 05:31:28 PM »
If you say so. I think the chance of damaging the seal on the drain, and the seal around the edges are greater with a torch, no matter the proficiency.
been doing this for many years with no issues. Also, for anyone who is somewhat handy, fixing the seals is no big deal. The first year I ever Kashered with a torch, I Kashered the pull down hose on someone sink with a torch, stupidly assuming it was mean steel. Ran out to HD and replaced it within a half hour.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3016 on: March 26, 2018, 05:57:47 PM »
I personally am not able to do iruy on the vertical sides of the sink...
You need a better kettle
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3017 on: March 26, 2018, 07:42:45 PM »
You need a better kettle
It's pretty much a physics problem. I guess something with a long spout can work.. I don't have one.

But I'm still not clear how long and hot to do it with a blowtorch....

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3018 on: March 26, 2018, 08:06:30 PM »
It's pretty much a physics problem. I guess something with a long spout can work.. I don't have one.

But I'm still not clear how long and hot to do it with a blowtorch....

I use an 8 quart pot. I pour out a large amount of hot water and it seems to hit the sides of the sink directly pretty easily. Takes a couple of potfuls to ensure that I hit every spot.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3019 on: March 26, 2018, 08:09:48 PM »
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