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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 392281 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3975 on: December 09, 2019, 02:17:25 PM »
The Shulchan Aruch O"C 319 16 is talking about water that has Tolaim and only gives a heter with a mapah that is derech shesiah (possibly the same thing would be with a lifestraw) but to filter it 1st would be assur.
Turning on the faucet is derech shetiya

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3976 on: December 09, 2019, 03:02:20 PM »
Turning on the faucet is derech shetiya
Absolutely NOT! It is derech borer. I is the step before drinking- filling up the cup - just like the cases in the shulchan aruch. (Perhaps a water fountain would be more like derech shtia but not necessarily because it's not the act of drinking that does the filtering rather the the turning on of the water)
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3977 on: December 09, 2019, 03:06:50 PM »
You missed the additional part of this way of ברירה by turning a faucet on is definitely considered a שינוי at least,
In what way would this be considered a שינוי? it is the normal way to  filter it at all times!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3978 on: December 09, 2019, 03:32:56 PM »
In what way would this be considered a שינוי? it is the normal way to  filter it at all times!
I really don't understand why you are still arguing, Did you look in the Shary Tshuva I referred you to? It's on the daf in Hilchas Shaabos 319
where you quoted from. He talks in a very similar situation when someone attaches a cloth over the bottle or barrel when he fills the cup, same goes for faucet. It all depends where you place the cloth, if on the cup you're pouring "into" , it's דרך בורר indeed, if on the bottle you're pouring "from", it's not דרך בורר.

Besides for that, turning a faucet on is in no way a מעשה ברירה, and the fact that you do it everyday certainty doesn't make it so. It is NOT the normal way of filtering in any way, it's just the normal way of turning a faucet on, and by chance you get filtered water everyday. (no need to use the big thumb for this :) )
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3979 on: December 11, 2019, 11:14:01 AM »
Eruv question:

If there are two locations surrounded by an Eruv and they are connected by a bridge, is it permissible to carry across that bridge? The practical application is that the TRYP by Wyndham Miami Bay Harbor is located on a small island which is just a bridge away from Surfside, FL. According to the eruv map of Miami, both the island and that portion of Surfside are bordered by an eruv (the island being it's own eruv), but the bridge isn't. Is it permissible to carry across?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3980 on: December 11, 2019, 11:21:27 AM »
Eruv question:

If there are two locations surrounded by an Eruv and they are connected by a bridge, is it permissible to carry across that bridge? The practical application is that the TRYP by Wyndham Miami Bay Harbor is located on a small island which is just a bridge away from Surfside, FL. According to the eruv map of Miami, both the island and that portion of Surfside are bordered by an eruv (the island being it's own eruv), but the bridge isn't. Is it permissible to carry across?
No. They are 2 erucs separated by the water. It's more complicated to add water into an eruv.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3981 on: December 11, 2019, 02:40:45 PM »
Does anyone know of a good safer that discusses "Tzimtzum" in depth, I am not referring to the basic idea of "Tzimtzum", and the Machlokes of Tzimtzum kepshuto or aino kepshuto, as brought down in the Tanya, Nefesh Hachaim, Pischey Sheorim etc.. They seem to explain what Tzimtzum "Is" and "Isnt" but not addressing many difficult questions that arise from either explanation, and I cant seem to find a good safer that clarifies these questions, anyone have any advice of good sources as their doesnt seem to be many?


(R` Aryeh Kaplan has 1 safer that he wrote in Hebrew called "Moreh Ohr" which seems to be out of print as is virtually unobtainable, I managed to download a PDF version online, he discusses a few difficult hashkafic ideas, and on the Inyan of Tzimtzum he literally asks 2 of the questions that have been  bothering me, only to go on to many more points on other topics and does not seem to answer them at the end, its possible that the PDF version isnt the entire safer and possibly he does answer it if their is a longer version.)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3982 on: December 11, 2019, 03:17:09 PM »
Eruv question:

If there are two locations surrounded by an Eruv and they are connected by a bridge, is it permissible to carry across that bridge? The practical application is that the TRYP by Wyndham Miami Bay Harbor is located on a small island which is just a bridge away from Surfside, FL. According to the eruv map of Miami, both the island and that portion of Surfside are bordered by an eruv (the island being it's own eruv), but the bridge isn't. Is it permissible to carry across?
Fwiw, all the locals use it across the bridge...
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3983 on: December 11, 2019, 03:18:20 PM »
Fwiw, all the locals use it across the bridge...
Can't think of how that would be Halachic unless it's just included but poorly marked on the map.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3984 on: December 11, 2019, 03:22:54 PM »
Fwiw, all the locals use it across the bridge...

Maybe there is an eruv chatzerot?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3985 on: December 12, 2019, 12:17:23 AM »
Did you look in the Shary Tshuva I referred you to? It's on the daf in Hilchas Shaabos 319
where you quoted from. He talks in a very similar situation when someone attaches a cloth over the bottle or barrel when he fills the cup, same goes for faucet. It all depends where you place the cloth, if on the cup you're pouring "into" , it's דרך בורר indeed, if on the bottle you're pouring "from", it's not דרך בורר.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!  Do you think it's just a din that whenever it's on the source it's a shinui? the alef bais of shinui is that it's an awkward unnatural way of accomplishing the melochah which is the case is the shaaray tshuva's situation where you have to hold the cloth over the spout instead of the normal way of letting the cloth rest on the cup. Here, on the contrary it makes it easier by having the mesanenes screwed onto the faucet instead of being suspended.
Besides for that, turning a faucet on is in no way a מעשה ברירה, and the fact that you do it everyday certainty doesn't make it so. It is NOT the normal way of filtering in any way, it's just the normal way of turning a faucet on, and by chance you get filtered water everyday. (no need to use the big thumb for this :) )
The fact that it is the normal way to get water out in no way precludes it from being the normal way to filter water. It was set up that way on purpose so that you can accomplish two goals at once.
I really don't understand why you are still arguing,
The only reason I continue to argue is that no one should chas v'shalom rely on your heterim without asking a competent posek!
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3986 on: December 12, 2019, 12:21:51 AM »
What about turning it on to fill a washing cup and leaving it on to drink?
Rav Dovid Feinstein heard the svorah to be mattir here. However, he was choshesh for haramah, i.e. you don't really need the washing, you're really turning it on for a drink.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3987 on: December 12, 2019, 12:46:32 AM »


I really don't understand why you are still arguing, Did you look in the Shary Tshuva I referred you to? It's on the daf in Hilchas Shaabos 319
where you quoted from. He talks in a very similar situation when someone attaches a cloth over the bottle or barrel when he fills the cup, same goes for faucet. It all depends where you place the cloth, if on the cup you're pouring "into" , it's דרך בורר indeed, if on the bottle you're pouring "from", it's not דרך בורר.
This is the psak (and the reasoning) I got from rov.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3988 on: December 12, 2019, 08:52:31 PM »
There's a mincha minyan that I know of that davens sfard but says tachnun like Ashkenaz. Is that a common occurrence?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #3989 on: December 13, 2019, 09:00:49 AM »
There's a mincha minyan that I know of that davens sfard but says tachnun like Ashkenaz. Is that a common occurrence?
The real question is why doesn't sefard say tachnun
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