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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 369887 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4050 on: January 07, 2020, 08:11:14 PM »
The whole discussion appears to be about the issue of bishul yisroel. Why do you think he's referring to the issue of pas yisroel?
"appears"? did you watch the entire thing ? starting from minute 30. he's clearly asked about cereals and he clearly also mentions PY

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4051 on: January 07, 2020, 08:18:33 PM »
"appears"? did you watch the entire thing ? starting from minute 30. he's clearly asked about cereals and he clearly also mentions PY
So why are you telling us minute 30? I watched until at least 35, and heard no mention of pas yisroel.

ETA: Rav Weiss starts talking at 27:30 and stops at 36:15, during which time he is specifically addressing the question of bishul akum by coffee (and mashkim in general). Not once does he mention pas yisroel during that time. Maybe he gets up again to speak later and mentions it then, but if that's the case, please point to the actual time he does so.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4052 on: January 07, 2020, 08:25:26 PM »
So why are you telling us minute 30? I watched until at least 35, and heard no mention of pas yisroel.
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4053 on: January 07, 2020, 09:29:04 PM »
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
I didn't listen to it yet but I see already that you are reading it to mean something it was never meant to mean. Why are you saying that cereal is pas? Many poskim consider all cereal to be bishul. Many say it is not even considered to be baked. That you are extrapolating from a statement regarding all snacks also sounds like exactly what I suspected and that you are taking something said regarding bishul and applying it to pas.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4054 on: January 07, 2020, 10:30:11 PM »
I didn't listen to it yet but I see already that you are reading it to mean something it was never meant to mean. Why are you saying that cereal is pas? Many poskim consider all cereal to be bishul. Many say it is not even considered to be baked. That you are extrapolating from a statement regarding all snacks also sounds like exactly what I suspected and that you are taking something said regarding bishul and applying it to pas.
Cheerios? Crispix?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4055 on: January 07, 2020, 10:34:51 PM »
Cheerios? Crispix?
Cheerios are not baked. That is a heter to eat them during aseres yimei tshuva. Crispix are rice and corn.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4056 on: January 07, 2020, 10:36:09 PM »
Cheerios are not baked. That is a heter to eat them during aseres yimei tshuva. Crispix are rice and corn.
Is it grilled???

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4057 on: January 07, 2020, 10:37:44 PM »
Is it grilled???
It is made in a popper.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4058 on: January 07, 2020, 10:39:17 PM »
Pretzels are cooked as well IMU

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4059 on: January 07, 2020, 10:52:28 PM »
Pretzels are cooked as well IMU
They are baked
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4060 on: January 07, 2020, 11:03:03 PM »
They are baked
What about raisin bran?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4063 on: January 07, 2020, 11:30:00 PM »
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
Aygart has already answered, but since this was addressed to me I'll answer as well. He talks about those things in the context of bishul yisroel, not pas yisroel.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4064 on: January 08, 2020, 11:04:40 AM »
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
There are a few points here which you misunderstood.

First and foremost among them is that he was explaining reasoning to be lenient regarding coffee by being mitztaref together different opinions. This applies to bishul only and not pas.

One of those opinions is one that holds that a snack is by definition not OASM. According to this opinion, all snacks are not called OASM. This is not by any means agreed to by all. The Mechaber very specifically states that it does not need to be ללפת את הפת but rather even if it is לפרפרת it can be called OASM.

He never even said that all snacks are mutar as an actual psak.
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