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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 434898 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4635 on: July 30, 2020, 01:06:24 PM »
Probably more issues vis-a-vis pikuach nefesh.
This wasn't his question and don't be Corny, thanks
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4636 on: July 30, 2020, 01:13:06 PM »
This wasn't his question and don't be Corny, thanks
What if he's right?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4637 on: July 30, 2020, 07:34:56 PM »
What if he's right?
i didn't say that either, i was just saying that he was saying something nobody is interested in hearing, כשם שמצוה על אדם לומר דבר הנשמע, כך מצוה על אדם שלא לומר דבר שאינו נשמע
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4638 on: July 30, 2020, 09:32:47 PM »
i didn't say that either, i was just saying that he was saying something nobody is interested in hearing, כשם שמצוה על אדם לומר דבר הנשמע, כך מצוה על אדם שלא לומר דבר שאינו נשמע
Is that the Halacha? ;) It's a machloikes in the Gemarah.

In any case, how would he know he's not interested? Most people I know that smoke never put too much thought into it. If they did, they wouldn't be smoking.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4639 on: July 31, 2020, 12:20:01 AM »
Can one shower Friday morning if he plans to shower again friday afternoon.
Is the heter lechavod Shabbos blanket rule or only if this is the shower for Shabbos?
AYLOR. Many chassidim follow the psak in name of the Barditchover Ruv Ztz''l to allow everything for in such a year. Since all dinei aveilos were removed for Friday.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4640 on: July 31, 2020, 12:57:49 AM »
AYLOR. Many chassidim follow the psak in name of the Barditchover Ruv Ztz''l to allow everything for in such a year. Since all dinei aveilos were removed for Friday.
Even meat/ wine?
(Which are always questionable on Erev Shabbos....)
How are "all done various removed" seems like only things which are likavod shabbos and can not be done after chatzos for example you wouldn't be able to do 9 days worth of a family's laundry in one afternoon or get a haircut appt. But if you have time to shower/ shave after chatzos it's better
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4641 on: July 31, 2020, 01:05:34 AM »
Even meat/ wine?
(Which are always questionable on Erev Shabbos....)
How are "all done various removed" seems like only things which are likavod shabbos and can not be done after chatzos for example you wouldn't be able to do 9 days worth of a family's laundry in one afternoon or get a haircut appt. But if you have time to shower/ shave after chatzos it's better
No, his psak was that therefor it was removed altogether

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4642 on: July 31, 2020, 01:17:36 AM »
No, his psak was that therefor it was removed altogether
Rav Falk also believes so.



https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21547&st=&pgnum=277

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4643 on: July 31, 2020, 01:41:10 AM »
Rav Falk also believes so.



https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21547&st=&pgnum=277
without seeing the context, it's not clear the Rav Falk is paskening like that. Just that he's explaining the MA. I haven't seen any contemporary poskim that discuss the sugyah  (Rav Nissim Karelitz, Rav Wosner, Dayan Fisher, Rav Moshe etc)being mattir lemaaseh
AYLOR. Many chassidim follow the psak in name of the Barditchover Ruv Ztz''l to allow everything for in such a year. Since all dinei aveilos were removed for Friday.
do you have a source for this?

What I've seen from litvishe and chassidishe poskim - machlokes re haircuts tonight. some who are matir haircuts still forbid bathing (presumably because you will bathe again before shabbos).
Laundry even for items that you won't need,  -I saw one machmir shita, but most are meikel, and Rav Moshe explained that the takanos Ezra to wash on thursday so as not to be busy with it Friday is the mattir.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4644 on: July 31, 2020, 02:02:36 AM »
without seeing the context, it's not clear the Rav Falk is paskening like that. Just that he's explaining the MA. I haven't seen any contemporary poskim that discuss the sugyah  (Rav Nissim Karelitz, Rav Wosner, Dayan Fisher, Rav Moshe etc)being mattir lemaasehdo you have a source for this?

What I've seen from litvishe and chassidishe poskim - machlokes re haircuts tonight. some who are matir haircuts still forbid bathing (presumably because you will bathe again before shabbos).
Laundry even for items that you won't need,  -I saw one machmir shita, but most are meikel, and Rav Moshe explained that the takanos Ezra to wash on thursday so as not to be busy with it Friday is the mattir.
There are two shailos here. One is when the heter starts in a year like this, and the other if non tzorchei shabbos are also muter. Rav Falk addresses mainly the first one and is mattir completely. And on the second one he also believes it to be muter, but he has no clear source for it.
Barditchover ruv's psak is brought down in Piskei Thuvos as well, in the bottom notes.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4645 on: July 31, 2020, 02:05:20 AM »
There are two shailos here. One is when the heter starts in a year like this, and the other if non tzorchei shabbos are also muter. Rav Falk addresses mainly the first one and is mattir completely. And on the second one he also believes it to be muter, but he has no clear source for it.
Barditchover ruv's psak is brought down in Piskei Thuvos as well, in the bottom notes.
Laundry is it's own shaila.
I will look at the full context of rav falk and the piskei teshuvos. Thank you

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4646 on: July 31, 2020, 02:53:23 AM »
There are two shailos here. One is when the heter starts in a year like this, and the other if non tzorchei shabbos are also muter. Rav Falk addresses mainly the first one and is mattir completely. And on the second one he also believes it to be muter, but he has no clear source for it.
Barditchover ruv's psak is brought down in Piskei Thuvos as well, in the bottom notes.
1) To clarify - Rav Falk is dealing with laundry / bathing / haircuts. Not meat and wine. He is very explicit at the end of the teshuva
2) He only discusses non tzorchei Shabbos with regards to laundry. There's a strong sevara because of the takanos Ezra, that he brings in s"k #10 as well. I heard the same from other poskim as well.
3) Haircuts and rechitza lkovod shabbos he is matir as well
4) what he does not discuss is our question - where it's not lkovod shabbos. I'm going to shower tonight, but will shower again before shabbos. (same would apply to shaving).
5) There is no sevara in his teshuva that should be matir that.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4647 on: July 31, 2020, 06:00:11 PM »
1) To clarify - Rav Falk is dealing with laundry / bathing / haircuts. Not meat and wine. He is very explicit at the end of the teshuva
2) He only discusses non tzorchei Shabbos with regards to laundry. There's a strong sevara because of the takanos Ezra, that he brings in s"k #10 as well. I heard the same from other poskim as well.
3) Haircuts and rechitza lkovod shabbos he is matir as well
4) what he does not discuss is our question - where it's not lkovod shabbos. I'm going to shower tonight, but will shower again before shabbos. (same would apply to shaving).
5) There is no sevara in his teshuva that should be matir that.
As I noted, Rav falk's tshuva basically just addresses the question on when the heter of צורך שבת starts. Whereas the psak of the קדושת לוי was a blanket rule that no aveiles is noheg on Friday. However, Rav falk also agrees m'svora, in his words that I highlighted, that once a heter is given for צרכי שבת, that should apply for all of that sort even they're not for צרכי שבת, therefor he insists that all laundry should be permitted, and showering twice should be no different. But he's מסיים with a וצ׳׳ע since as he says he found no clear source for this. Therefore he's not giving a final heter on that part.
 
Now the קדושת לוי psak was actually on this exact question based on the same svura, with one clear distinction. The קדושת לוי posits that no aveiles were given on a Friday at all, Therefor even בשר ויין would me muter on Friday (but excluding Thursday night משום האבילות של יום), whereas rav falk who believes that aveiles was just removed for particular stuff that some of it's sort has a צורך שבת, then those stuff would have blanket heter even without being a צורך שבת, but in his view would בשר ויין be excluded.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4648 on: July 31, 2020, 07:06:12 PM »
and showering twice should be no different.

He doesn't say this. There is a strong sevara to differentiate between laundry and showering/ haircuts. And there are other achronim that do say it explicitly, which he quotes at the very end of the teshuva, as well as ones he doesn't quote.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4649 on: August 02, 2020, 02:44:17 PM »
Does anyone know of a good safer that discusses "Tzimtzum" in depth, I am not referring to the basic idea of "Tzimtzum", and the Machlokes of Tzimtzum kepshuto or aino kepshuto, as brought down in the Tanya, Nefesh Hachaim, Pischey Sheorim etc.. They seem to explain what Tzimtzum "Is" and "Isnt" but not addressing many difficult questions that arise from either explanation, and I cant seem to find a good safer that clarifies these questions, anyone have any advice of good sources as their doesnt seem to be many?


(R` Aryeh Kaplan has 1 safer that he wrote in Hebrew called "Moreh Ohr" which seems to be out of print as is virtually unobtainable, I managed to download a PDF version online, he discusses a few difficult hashkafic ideas, and on the Inyan of Tzimtzum he literally asks 2 of the questions that have been  bothering me, only to go on to many more points on other topics and does not seem to answer them at the end, its possible that the PDF version isnt the entire safer and possibly he does answer it if their is a longer version.)

https://derher.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Tzimtzum-Article-Av-5780.pdf

We've been through quite a lot since this was posted, but since I just came across an essay that was just published explaining concepts and understandings of Tzimtzum, I thought it would be worthy to post as a response to this (and might also respond to some other posts in various threads, just search DDF for Tzimtzum)

In case the link gets taken down, I've cleaned up the PDF a little so it could be small enough to add as an attachment, and it is hereby attached. I hope I didn't delete anything.
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