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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 683823 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4920 on: May 09, 2021, 11:22:54 PM »
That is a pasuk used to say that when it is easy to do it right don't try to get away without it. Even though me'ikar hadin you probably do not need to check it you should still do it. If you want to wear it and it wasn't checked yet I wouldn't worry about it but would get it checked later.
And why doesn't אל תהיה צדיק הרבה apply?  :P

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4921 on: May 09, 2021, 11:30:43 PM »
That is a pasuk used to say that when it is easy to do it right don't try to get away without it. Even though me'ikar hadin you probably do not need to check it you should still do it. If you want to wear it and it wasn't checked yet I wouldn't worry about it but would get it checked later.
I hear. Though I'd think the same thing can be said for many/most halacha questions.
Still interested to hear other's thoughts on the topic.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4922 on: May 10, 2021, 03:08:01 PM »
And why doesn't אל תהיה צדיק הרבה apply?  :P
The Shulchan Aruch says all clothes made by Non-Jews need to be checked, so the Psakim that checking isn't necessary are probably not so clear cut.

״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4923 on: May 20, 2021, 01:31:48 PM »
There has been some discussion about gay men. What is the Torah's position on homosexual relationships. Should those involved be put to death?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4924 on: May 20, 2021, 01:49:37 PM »
There has been some discussion about gay men. What is the Torah's position on homosexual relationships. Should those involved be put to death?

Only if they have relations. If they just live together without any contact they haven't committed any sin

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4925 on: May 20, 2021, 02:03:05 PM »

Only if they have relations. If they just live together without any contact they haven't committed any sin
you also have to clarify the Torah perspective on Misas Bais Din

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4926 on: May 20, 2021, 02:09:29 PM »
you also have to clarify the Torah perspective on Misas Bais Din
He didn't ask HOW the punishment is carried out...only the determinating factor.
But yes that is a longer answer that I don't know so well

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4927 on: May 20, 2021, 02:54:47 PM »
So if I understand correctly if they engage in the act they should be put to death. Not asking who carries out the punishment.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4928 on: May 20, 2021, 02:59:39 PM »
So if I understand correctly if they engage in the act they should be put to death. Not asking who carries out the punishment.
There is the raw tora law, there is how it is implemented, and then there is also certain meaning behind why God has made it that for the last few thousand years there is no Jewish court on the level that can judge these cases.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4929 on: May 20, 2021, 03:47:49 PM »
So if I understand correctly if they engage in the act they should be put to death. Not asking who carries out the punishment.
As stated clearly in the Bible - Leviticus 20 - 13

וְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תּוֹעֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃
If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4930 on: May 20, 2021, 03:50:55 PM »
Thanks, I received my answer.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4931 on: May 20, 2021, 03:57:53 PM »
As stated clearly in the Bible - Leviticus 20 - 13

וְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִשְׁכַּ֤ב אֶת־זָכָר֙ מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תּוֹעֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃
If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them.
Why has Hashem made this and many other things like it בידי שמים in our times? Maybe it's because we are are no longer pure of heart enough to carry out these things without becoming murderous and hateful.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4932 on: May 20, 2021, 04:13:44 PM »
hey, who needs generations of Torah, mishna, gemara , rishonim, acharonim , poskim when all it takes is a couple of random DDF posters.
While it's not right to judge Judaism by a single passuk, it does tell of Judaisms outlook on the concept of active homosexuality. How it deals with those people is a much longer more nuanced story.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4933 on: May 20, 2021, 04:23:07 PM »
While it's not right to judge Judaism by a single passuk, it does tell of Judaisms outlook on the concept of active homosexuality. How it deals with those people is a much longer more nuanced story.
that was exactly the question

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4934 on: May 20, 2021, 04:32:48 PM »
Thanks, I received my answer.
To give you some perspective, there are many transgressions in the Torah punishable by human courts with death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Judaism#In_the_Pentateuch). However, the conditions for actually carrying out that punishment are extensive. As a result, the Mishna says, "A Sanhedrin (specific type of Jewish court) that puts a man to death once in seven years is called a murderous one. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah said, 'Or even once in 70 years.' Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiba said, 'If we had been in the Sanhedrin, no death sentence would ever have been passed." And on top of that, the Gemara says, "forty years before the destruction of the [Second] Temple (around 2000 years ago), capital punishment ceased in Israel."

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4935 on: May 20, 2021, 04:34:40 PM »
that was exactly the question
Answer:

For the last few thousand years there is no Jewish court on the level that can judge these cases.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4936 on: May 20, 2021, 04:42:15 PM »
And on top of that, the Gemara says, "forty years before the destruction of the [Second] Temple (around 2000 years ago), capital punishment ceased in Israel."
Most notable is that the cause was there being more murders which seems counterintuitive.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4937 on: May 20, 2021, 04:57:13 PM »
And on top of that, the Gemara says, "forty years before the destruction of the [Second] Temple (around 2000 years ago), capital punishment ceased in Israel."

That means they made a decision to stop practicing it, not that
there weren't any cases that presented themselves after that.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4938 on: May 20, 2021, 05:00:06 PM »
only if they engage in the act witnessed by two people who warned them in advance that the act is forbidden and what the punishment entails, among other conditions

According to the Rambam, non-Jews only require one witness and do not require warning.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #4939 on: May 20, 2021, 05:04:48 PM »
hey, who needs generations of Torah, mishna, gemara , rishonim, acharonim , poskim when all it takes is a couple of random DDF posters.

Name something that looks from the Chumash to be a capital offense, but actually isn't.
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