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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 584686 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5080 on: July 21, 2021, 11:30:44 AM »
There is no Tzaar balei chaim to kill a specie, even for fun, only when torturing it alive. Eating it alive might me biklal killing it, not touring it.
Eating it alive is baal tishaktzu, regardless of whether it's also tzaar baalei chaim. That much at least is explicit in the Tosfos quoted above.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5081 on: July 21, 2021, 11:30:53 AM »
There appear to be poskim who say there's no tzaar baalei chaim by fish (https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1864/tzar-balay-chaim-for-fish 2nd answer), and none of them bring this Tosfos as a mekor. In fact, you mentioned that the Chinuch holds it does apply to fish, but at least one of the poskim who hold it doesn't bring a proof from the Chinuch.

Bottom line, it does appear to be a machlokes haposkim, but I'm not sure either Tosfos or the Chinuch are anywhere near explicit on the issue.
Interesting. Thanks for this.
 I'll have to find the chinuch. It's been a while since I went through this.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5082 on: July 21, 2021, 11:31:56 AM »
Eating it alive is baal tishaktzu, regardless of whether it's also tzaar baalei chaim. That much at least is explicit in the Tosfos quoted above.
Correct. It's Lafukei aiver min h'chai which doesn't apply to fish.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5083 on: July 21, 2021, 11:43:25 AM »
Is the machlokos if they can experience pain ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5084 on: July 21, 2021, 12:15:21 PM »
If anyone wants to read through an actual maareh makom, which discusses both sides to some extent, see here from the Ungvarer Rov:
https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=1878#p=276&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=

Chulin 66a bottom of the ammud. (I understood it that way based on the idea that it talks about eating before the fish is dead)
Note that the shoel wanted to make the diyuk you made (though the tshuva appears to reject it as proof of shitas hatosfos).

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5085 on: July 22, 2021, 12:37:19 AM »
Is there an inyun to wait till shabbos to name a baby girl?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5086 on: July 22, 2021, 12:41:58 AM »
Is there an inyun to wait till shabbos to name a baby girl?
Mazel Tov!!

Depends on your minhag.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5087 on: July 22, 2021, 12:52:23 AM »
Is there an inyun to wait till shabbos to name a baby girl?
Was discussed here

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5088 on: July 22, 2021, 02:52:25 AM »
If its for human benefit then TBC is not a concern. (Otherwise you would not be able to shecht anything.)

Isn't schechitah close to, if not entirely, painless?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5089 on: July 22, 2021, 11:02:28 AM »
Isn't schechitah close to, if not entirely, painless?
What about the part leading up to it?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5090 on: August 29, 2021, 09:08:32 PM »
I left food in the microwave as shabbos started. Which is worse ?
1) Leave it there & bal tashchis
2) open the door & the light goes on
3) unplug it & the digital numbers go off

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5091 on: August 29, 2021, 09:15:09 PM »
I left food in the microwave as shabbos started. Which is worse ?
1) Leave it there & bal tashchis
2) open the door & the light goes on
3) unplug it & the digital numbers go off

Serious?

4) Don't use microwave because of ונשמרתם?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5092 on: August 29, 2021, 09:18:23 PM »
Serious?

4) Don't use microwave because of ונשמרתם?
huh ? I want to know the order of the severity of issurim.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5093 on: August 29, 2021, 09:37:39 PM »
I left food in the microwave as shabbos started. Which is worse ?
1) Leave it there & bal tashchis
2) open the door & the light goes on
3) unplug it & the digital numbers go off
First off, there is no Issur of Baal Tashchis at all if it is for a good purpose, even if it is only Assur mishum minhag and certainly if it is an issur gamur (whether D'oraysah or D'rabanan)
Now, when it comes to the other 2 (in certain situations of a choleh or the like), if the light is incandescent/halogen, that is the worse issur. If not, they would be equal, BUT PLEASE ASK YOUR LOR IF IT'S L'MAASEH
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5094 on: August 29, 2021, 10:39:30 PM »
What is the deal with saying slichos before chatzos?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5095 on: August 29, 2021, 10:43:00 PM »
What is the deal with saying slichos before chatzos?
Igros Moshe O"C 2 - 105R'
Moshe says that as a Horoas Sha'a, people who will be unable to say slichos in the proper times  with a minyan, can say it before chatzos and while it doesn't have the Havtacha of the יג מידות that wont be returned empty-handed, it does have the chashivus of a regular tefilla, and therefore it's better that they do this and not lose the opportunity that slichos provides.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5096 on: August 30, 2021, 12:51:18 AM »
I left food in the microwave as shabbos started. Which is worse ?
1) Leave it there & bal tashchis
2) open the door & the light goes on
3) unplug it & the digital numbers go off
Wouldn't the case of רדיית הפת make your question am obvious answer?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5097 on: August 30, 2021, 12:59:02 AM »
Wouldn't the case of רדיית הפת make your question am obvious answer?
care to explain ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5098 on: August 30, 2021, 01:06:27 AM »
care to explain ?
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Case is where someone put bread in the oven on shabbos and the gemara asks if it can be removed before he is oiver oraysa or d'rabanan

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5099 on: August 30, 2021, 01:55:31 AM »
Baal Tashich is certainly not a consideration in this circumstance.

בל תשחית דגופא עדיף

אין עצה ותבונה נגד ה׳

If Bal Tashchis would allow one to be mechallel shabbos, we would have no more shabbos... every important work call etc.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים